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“Bill® 30 Phone (Area202)$44-6000 Fielding's office? CU Mr. Angleton. His office would have been. Senator Baker. Do you know of that situation? -833 Mr. Angleton. No, except — E on Senator Baker. Het …”
“… , the Soviets were prepared to let laus Fuchs go down the drain rather than hurt Philby. to Senator Baker. As an ultimate cover? Mr. Angleton. Precisely. J .TOP SECRET 1 Page 33”
“… om the end of the last war to the present, 16 and destroy the agent. 17 1 Senator Baker. Do you think Hersh is a Soviet Agent? 18 Mr. Angleton. I am not saying that he is a Soviet ton, D.C. 20003 19 agent. To begin with, when I went back to see Wells, who”
“… 8 fair to infer from that conversation that there was an 11337 9 indication that Szulc had a very good source within the Agency? 10 Mr Angleton. Either that,” or the way I look at it, I 11 am prepared to admit, because of an article he wrote, in the WARD a PAUL 1 12 cryptonym …”
“… alled Ben Wells to see you, because a safe place in which to raise all this stuff. wanted 23 Mr. Schwarz. This is Szulc? No 11 Mr. Angleton. This is Szulc. 0D TOP SECRET NW”
“… . i/ii 9 Senator Tower. You raised the^Sestion but did not ans- 10 wer it. 11 How do you think he could have known it? nova 12 Mr. Angleton. This is what bothers me, that he is ouve 13 either unwitting, or has a source who has knowledge and is 10092 14 working for an oppos …”
“PSEC 034 Phone (Area 202) 30 10# Mr Angleton. Yes, either witting or unwitting. 2 Senator Tower. The KBG knows this, and, therefore, it 5 could have come directly or indirectly from …”
“of 410 Ferst Street, S. E., Washi 21 Mr. Angleton. I don't know. 22 our people in the field. 23 PMr. Schwarz. Did he ever provide services? 0 Mr. Angleton. I don't know. Mr. Schwar …”
“NNA $ : Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 OF SECRET 35 Mr. Angleton, I have heard that, but I haven’tlooked at the dossier for the last ten years. He came to our attention 5 basically in connection with th …”
“… his article which has just 22 comebout he mentions him with his biographical sketch. 23 Senator Baker. Who was your successor? 24 Mr. Angleton. George Kalaris. I had never known him before. TOP SECRET 1 NW JIB”
“… of that that 15 whatever denial you made of the transfer of atomic parts of 16 ‘7 % thestory didn’t get across to Mr. Szulc? 17 Mr. Angleton. No, I think it got across to him. 18 Mr. Schwarz. Can you recall your words to him that 410 First Street, S.E.. wasniecton, O.C. 20003 …”
“TOP SICRE 37 Mr. Angleton. They were consistent, but they weren't 25 stated in that fashion. They were stated in the fashion that 3 Dri Mann is a person who fits w …”
“… fissionable material and technology, did you deny wholly Bp-in part that there had been a passage of fissionable 5 4 material? 3y 5 re Angleton. No, I denied his story --I would like to 6 keep that as his story, something he came and presented. And E 7 then when he got down into …”
“Baker. What installations? 21, 22 Mr. Angleton.The line of sight, electronics — 23 Senator Baker. YOu are not talking about 1 * jo tr Mr. Angleton. I am talking about the signal int …”
“… was it in Israel. 20 Mr: Kirbow. Did you express any concern to Mr. 21 Szulc about the use of Dr. Mann's name in this article? 22 Mr. Angleton. Not Dr. Mann's name. My expression was 23 that if you — I said that article, false as it is, ith the 24. many things injected in it — …”
“… / 6000 14 of one or more distinguished # nuclear % scientists or physicists 15 for the purpose of developing atomic weapons? 16 Mr. Angleton. That is completely false. 17 Mr. Aaron. Mr. Angleton, did you confirm or deny that 18 to Mr. Szulc? 4 1 0 Feest S treet, S.E.. W ashi …”
“Aaron. So you didn't confirm and you didn’t deny. 22 is that correct? 23 C/ Mr. Angleton. It is very difficult for me to respond 24 to/that, because after all, this was a fast-moving discussion $covering an awful lot of subj …”
“… f my mind was the fact that we had problems with N 1 2 the Israelis in the nuclear field. 5 Mr. Aaron. What problems were those? 4 Mr. Angleton. They were very sensitive problems. And 5 I don't think that they really shed any light on things that 6 you are talking about here. N …”
“22 yMr. Angleton. I will put it this way.% 23 /?/ Senator Tower. That you got no direct questions of $that sort? o Mr. Angleton. I would say this to y …”
“… in Wells'house, and then proceeded in a restaurant to 8 regurgitate this entire matter. 9 Senator Tower. Which restaurant was it? 10 Mr. Angleton. It was the Sea Catch. 11 Senator Baker. Did you ever have any impression that w a n o • PAUL 12 it might be recorded, is that what you …”
“… to anyone out there that you thought this might have been o n N1 ) D setup by a foreign source, or from internally? to “"Io.”“ Mr. Angleton. What might be a setup? ora Mr. Kirbow. That this whole Szulc interview, story and TOP SECRET 1 NW 50955 DocId: 32423393 Page 46”
“SECRE 5 Phone (Area 202) $4 everything else. Mr. Angleton. I never discussed this with anybody 3 inothe Agency until we had this lunch. 4 0 Senator Baker. Do you suspect that now? 5 Mr.Angle …”
“… official capacity in the CIA you never • 1 had any occasion to cross Mr. Szulc’s trail or consider him Phone (; asta person “oMr. Angleton. I separated him once in a fight with a friend of mine. -39 5 Mr. Kinbow. But nothing in an official capacity? O 3 - Mr. Angleton. …”
“… his stuff was there, but it wasn’t being pro- 3 ressionally worked upon. 4 Senator Baker. You have mentioned the Watergate twice, 5 Mr. Angleton, 6 Cantyou shed any light on that period in the Agency's 0 7 life, the Imect that the Watergate investigation had or any C 8 involv …”
“… the letters that 2 McCord wrote to the DCI after the Watergate suggesting how 3 you could avoid having this blamed on the Agency? 4 Mr. Angleton. I am aware of what was in the press. s 5 And Paul Nabami recently died who wrote thoe letters, and 8 6 it made great sense to me, an …”
“Baker. Was he a prominent official at them 24 njAgency? Mr. Angleton. He was not. TOP SECRET Page Ju E U1”
“000/12% -17127 7485 Senator Baker. Did he have a prominent responsibility? 2) .2 Mr. Angleton. He was man that had very difficult 5 case abroad, which meant that it had to be buried, no leakages. ■ 4 And I used him twice, and one w …”
“… w that you have got to know the other.% 2 Senator Baker. He was familiar with the most exotic source of intelligence gathering? tide Mr. Angleton. Precisely. 5 And that is why I can t understand I mean, if the papers are correct in what they have stated, although many 71 of heeso …”
“opinion as to whether Oswald was a Soviet Agent? 21 Mr. Angleton. Yes, I have a very strong opinion. I know 22 the time factor, I will try to shorten this. 23 But I tried to prevail on Mr. Dulles that …”
“… , as I remember, was h 9 queried once on whether we could establish the bona fides of e 10 certain people, including Oswald. 11 Mr. Angleton. And Nosenko. W A R D & PAUL 12 Senator Baker. Was there any advice by you at that 13 time to McCone or other wise that the bona fides …”
“Senator Baker. What did you regard him as? 22 Mr. Angleton. We thought he was a dispatch agent who ! esepelly-Rorgapnitwbimg 23 was sent to mutilated the leads, of very high grade Soviets 24 wh …”
“Phone (Area 202) $44-6000 1 OF SECRET 51 1 assassination? 2 Mr Angleton. Relating to assassination, KGB agents, 5 VASSALL Vassily, the British agents, and many agents in France, a 4 alleged penetration in the …”
“… you give us at your leisure a memor- 8 andum of your recommendations in that respect, how that might 1 £ Pi 9 be constituded? 10 Mr. Angleton. It would not be a pleasant one. I have 11 submitted — and I don’t think it is breaking any confidence - w a n t * PAUL 12 such a memo …”
“SECRET A' € 1 54 Phone (Area 202) 544 1 Mr. Angleton. Very, very poor. - I have put in there, and I think it is very conservative, 5 “that it has put us back 20 years. But I think in the ey …”
“… nresolved cases. o L 5 Senator Daker. Do you know of any cases, though, deal- 6 Ing with penetration of a Congressional office? 7 Mr. Angleton. No. But my statement doesn't mean anything. 8 because I can assure you that it is the last thingI have 9 been concerned with in some mon …”
“… itted them 11 to the Soviet Union, and kept individual files on them, would • PAUL 12 you confirm that for me?. 6 000% W ARD 13 Mr. Angleton. I would state that that is absolutely in 14 my view correct. And I would say that the man who technically J awe 15 could respond to th …”
“… ctronic — surveillance conversational recording in the Oval Office other to than the Presidential (?) capability? wad Slmpenrs Mr. Angleton.” Never. Senator Baker. Do you know of anyone who ever penetrated j E wo the Presidential apparatus? Mr. Angleton. Never, Senator: …”
“contact the Soviets. 22 Mr. Schwarz. And was Leontov then in Mexico, or - 23 Mr. Angleton. I don't know, because the double agent 24 whom we believe was actually controlled by the Soviets, 25 I TOP SECRET NW 50955 DocId: 32 …”
“… with Oswald. 3 Mr. Schwarz. When you acquired from a number of sources 4 the information that the KGB had spent some six months 5 Mr. Angleton. We, only acquired the hard stuff of six 6 months and what they did from one man who was very high in the 7 KGB. 8 S Mr. Schwarz. W …”
“sent on a 22 mission. 23 v3 Mr. Schwarz. Suppressed by whom? 24 utr Mr. Angleton. Suppressed from the Warren Commission. 25 TOP SECRET NW 0u9a5 Page “”
“… y to some other high quality person who theretofore had ■1 been giving you information before Nosenko came- to this 5 country? 6 Mr. Angleton. That is right. 7 Mr. Schwarz. What was the nature of the information 8 relating to the Kennedy assassination that the high quality d …”
“… ound six of my letters 8 Sy to NSA relating to information from Golitzen. 9 Senator Baker. Did you speak of the assassination? 10 Mr. Angleton. What did you say? 11 Did you say Mr . Dunlop? n v e • OMV M Mr. Miller. 12 Mr. Angleton. After his suicide. I am sorry. 13 Mr. Mi …”
“passed them before or after. s.€ was 21 Mr. Schwarz. Now, what we were on was, I was asking you, 22 you testified earlier 23 Mr. Angleton. I just wanted to say Golitzen was so J0IF 24 enormous to the Western world because we immediately moved on 25 TOP SECRET (6 NW 50 …”
“… va six months after the defection of Golitzen. 5 Mr. Schwarz. And the date is when in relations to the 6 Kennedy assassination? 7 Mr. Angleton. Well, this was a contact, this was not a 8 defection. He came to us once for information prior to the 9 assassination. 00 ! ! 1 7 1 …”
“7 ' TOP SECRET" 66 Phone (Area 202) $44-6000 Mr. Angleton. No, not from Golitzen. 1 But when the assassination took place 2 Mr. Schwarz. The Kennedy assassination? 3 Mr. Angleton. When the K …”
“… the official documents deal- 13 0 ing with Oswald but the documents that the man tried to pass 14 J in Switzerland? 6 0 15 Mr. Angleton. The Second Chief Directorate, he took all 16 of the documents out of the FBI Soviet section and gave them 17 to the tourist and we rea …”
“… ants to defect. 7 Mr. Schwarz. And he provided information which was 6 inconsistent with Oswald being the Russian agent? !Zvi 9 Mr. Angleton. I am coming to that. 10 So immediately we tried to get the breadth of his career 11 so that we know where the priorities are. And the …”
“11 TOP SECRET 70 Pnone |A /M 2 0 2 ) $44-6000 looked wrong to you? 1 Mr. Angleton. Absolutely. 2 Mr. Schwarz. He looked like a plant to you? 3 Mr. Angleton. Precisely. 4 Mr. Schwarz. And among the information that h …”
“… ade man. Then 20 he took over the Department 13 and reinvigorated it. 2) Mr. Schwarz. And what was his connection with Oswald? 22 Mr. Angleton. I am saying that he was head of Department 23 13, and was head f Department 13 at a time — I mean, he had 24 long history in that, in …”
“ir 18 did you recount it because there is a more direct connection asnington, D.C. 20003 19 with Oswald? 20 Mr. Angleton. This is related to what I told Mr. Dulles, 21 I thought it was absolutely wrong to close the door on the 22 life of the Commission, an …”