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“^ n . (As04 2021 544-6000 TOP SECRET 16 Mr. Dawson. I know that you have indicated you © won't be able to put a precise date to this conversation 6 with Bissell or conversations with Bissell, but maybe we an narrow it down a little bit. Would you assume that it would be”
“… d as early as, say, early August or 5 early September. 6 Mr. Baron. It was in August or early September that / Lumumba was Premier of the Congo? 8 Mr. Tweedy. Yes. 9: Mr. Baron. And there was obviously a struggle for power 1t : between Lumumba and Kasavubu going on. 1' Mr. D …”
“Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 TOP SECRET 18 went back and forth between headquarters and the Congo after © 1 he was In U.N. custody to see if that refreshes your recollec- 2 tion about the general attitude with regard to Lumumba at …”
“'Donnell to go to the Congo to assassinate Lumumba? Mr. Tweedy. Well, he must have indeed have told me that he was going to ask O Donnell to go to the Congo to …”
““L Bale” Ev-A TOP SECRET 25 phone Area 202; 544-4000 1 saying, I am going to send O'Donnellsto the Congo to knock 2 off Lumumba, not in those words. Mr. Baron. When you say examine the thing on the ground you mean he would send ’Donnell t …”
“%-** 20 73 % 0 1 g 1 TOP SECRET 26 g (Aiwa 202% $44-6000 was sent to the Congo to assess the possibility for © assassinating Lumumba rather than to mount some sort of kid N napping plan to draw Lumumba out from th …”
“to go to the Congo to provide . W akhi the Chief of Station in the Congo with instructions to carry ut the assassination of Lumumba,if possible, and also …”
“… 544-8000 Mr. Tweedy. No, I do not. G 1 2 Mr. Baron. Let me represent to you that we have 5 testimony from the Chief of Station in the Congo at that point that he had received a cable from headquarters saying that a messenger would arrive in the Congo and would be 1 5 some …”
“… surprised, I wouldn’t 6 have been privy to those. 7 Mr. Baron. If a request such as the plan Mr. Dawson b outlined had been sent from the Congo to headquarters and it 9 were in more narrow cryptic terms, for instance, if it had said simply I have seen your messenger and received …”
“the Congo, decision with which I took absolutely no exception whatsoever, but as number of assignments may be made before I came they had to be t …”
“… sion? Mr. Tweedy. I am afraid I don't quite understand. Kekesdas.. Mr. Baron. If the DCI had given Dr. Cottlieban instruction to go to the Congo and deliver poisons to the Chief of Station would he have done it without consulting with the DDP? Mr. Tweedy. I suppose so.”
“… r opinion as participant at that time that the testimony, the basic testimony we have received Gelcere about poisons being delivered to the Congo by Dr. Gottliebjwith instructions to”
“… there is nothing in my experience with the Agency © 1 which would really bear on that point whatsoever. 2 Mr. Baron. Did you travel to the Congo shortly 0 Eveina before the independence of the Congo was declared? G Mr. Tweedy. That was my first visit to the Congo as I 5 li re …”
“# TA - TOP SECRET 40 207) $44.6000 1 Mr. Baron. Did you make another trip during which you visited the Congo at some point before the death of >1 ■ Lumumba? Mr. Tweedy. Yes, well, it is this one that I regurgi- tated finally which must have b …”
“… to proceed to Nairobi, and he had the meetings there. 9 ; each one two or three days, I suppose. Mr. Baron. Did the Chief f Station in the Congo attend the meeting in Rome? Mr. Tweedy. I am sure he would not. In other words, if he saw Bissell he would have merely come Rome and …”
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“… d acErench;West Africa, an@English-speaking» 5‘ (West-Africa. CE 6 Mr. Baron. We have received testimony from the Chief of Station in the Congo at that point that he did come to 7 " Rome to meet with Richard Bissell and he belives that he also b 1 met with yourself and Mr. Karam …”
“1 TOP SECRET 43 t o n s (A rn a 2029 $ 4 4 -6 0 0 0 was the main reason that I am sure I went to the Congo at that point was the fact that it obviously was going to become a major personnel drain, if you like, on the Division and major comm …”
“the Congo with disastrous consequences for the prestige of the U.N. and for the interests of the Free World generally. TOP SECRET”
“… partment? 1* peon 1 Mr. Tweedy. It accords much more with my recollecti of our attitude toward the potentially disastrous situation the Congo than ft does on he personally, but he obviously 20: was always in the background. 0 Mr. Baron. Where the cable says we”
“a D o n e iA rk a 2071 $ 4 4 4000 TOP SECRET existing conditions this should be a high priority of out 47 1 covert action, close quotes, — is that consistent with the 2 policy towards Lumumba as you recall it? 3 In other words,that Lumumba’s removal was prime objec- •A ”
“… nt. as far as you understood it, that the fact that Lumumba le was in U.N. protective custody did not eliminate him as a 11 threat in the Congo? Mr. Tweedy. I don't really recall but I think the chances are that”
“… event if Lumumba allowed even minor role he most apt J'1 come out on top". Does that indicate to you that the Chief of Station 1€ in the Congo at this point continued to be extremely concerned that Lumumba should not be allowed even a minor role in the government of the Congo? …”
“TOP SECRET 51 Song (A/G 207) 3-44-$000 1 Mr. Baron. This was sent from the Congo to --: 2 Mr. Tweedy. Sent from Elizabethville to Leopoldville infd headquarters, information headquarters.- Mr. Baron. So that headq …”
“… ne (A re a 202) $44-6000 1 0 Mr. Tweedy. I must say I have a hard time following the 2 question. This means that Lumumba arrived under the Congo lese auspices in Kutanga and that Elizabethville, the base at 4 Elizabethville didn't know he was coming, our base, didn't 5 : know …”
“… it if I had. Mr. Baron. Mr. Tweedy, do you recall an asset who was sent from Europe, where he had been recruited byamerers 03 18011to the Congo in the fall of 19607 Mr. Tweedy. I think Iwas reminded of this when I talked to you and Mr. Wides a couple or so months ago. Mr. Baron …”
“… Aside from the cryptonym, do you recall 03 there waa an asset who had been recruited byW-urold 009 Alver in 5 Europe and who was sent to the Congo to perform some mission 6 in November and December of 1960? 7 Mr. Tweedy. I was generally reminded of it by that conversation with yo …”
“… weedy. I don’t know anything about it whatsoever. 17 Mr. Baron. Did you at any point talk with William Harvey about any CIA activity in the Congo? 3000)3 Mr. Tweedy. Not that I remember. t 0 Mr. Baron. Let me show you a document now that we will tie Mark Exhibit 5. (The doc …”
“123 TOP SECRET 59 Start Phone (A ra n 2021 5 4 6 -6 0 0 0 1 visit to the Congo were and you said that Mr. QJWIN era was going out as sort of his caddy, if you like, he was going 2 to work for him and act as his ge …”
“TOP SECRET 60 Done (Area 2021 $46-6000 1 Mr. Baron. Would it have been proper for the Chief of i staff to arrange an operation in the Congo directly without 2 going through the African Division although keeping the African Chief informed? * Mr. Tweedy. Well, the two are mu …”
“… n or its completion. Mr. Baron. Okay. Did you know of an asset of the Chief of Station in the Congo known as WIROGUE, who was sent to the Congo after re”
“… . I do remember the cryptonym and remember generally the circumstances in which he was sent as 6 • 7 sort of general purpose agent to the Congo with the thought if we got involved in paramilitary activity he would be helpful and he was recruited on that rather general basis, and …”
“… States and dispatched on a general purpose mission. Mr. Baron. So, he would be viewed as one of the major assets that Hedgman had in the Congo at that point? Mr. Tweedy. How major I don’t know. He was an TOP SECRET HW”
“… e would have told how major it would have 1 )5 ; been. He was thought qualified to perform one of variety poopeAron 202 of things in the Congo by Hodgman. • 4 Mr. Daron. Would one of those things for which he was qualified have been an assassination mission against Lumumba? 5 …”
“… d nothing to do with that. Mr. Baron. You are saying even though you would assume that Mr. Hedgman’ testimony about poisons coming to the Congo and instructions to carry out an assassination coming to the Congo was true, the approach that WIROGUE made to QJWIN was probably not p …”
“… h the other thing and wouldn’t have been 9 handled that way. Mr. Baron. Could he have been instructed by Mr. Hedgman, after he got to the Congo, that he was to undertake recruitment of assets for participation in an assassination mission as part of his general duties in the Cong …”
“… nt to do is put atop to it. But no great problem. The problem must have lasted 30 minutes. Mr. Baron. Have you ever discussed events in the Congo 09 6 with Sidney Gottlieb Mr. Tweedy. Have I ever discussed events in the C Congo with Sidney Gottlieb? _3r *. I can only assume …”
“… o conversation with Sidney Cottlieb on the Con- go at all. © Mr. Baron. I am at the end of my questions on specific facts concerning the Congo during this period of time leading up to Lumumba’s death which, as you know, is the narrow subject of our inquiry right now, and first …”
“‘% *4 * ha is i TOP SECRET 70 -4 207) 344-4000 1 my period as Chief of the African Division and the Congo — let’s leave the balance of Africa out — and .N. and U.S. 27 ,6 4 ' involvement in the Congolese matter, that I have never seen an …”
“TOP SECRET 71 0 0 0 4 z y l 1/O< 1 given a little thing for watch chain. If I had one. which would be member of the Congo Club, and it was rather typical of the way the government worked on this thing and I personally felt excellent advised that the U.S. wa …”
“ut the paramilitary activities in the Congo in the latter part of the 60's, *62, 63. Mr. Tweedy. It was put together to preside over what ever activity the United States Govern …”
“TOP SECRET 72 2 0 7 1 5 4 4 -4 0 0 0 1 to be engaged in in the Congo, This included such things i8 purely policy questions of what the Ambassador to the U.N. might say to the Secretary General the U.N.or …”
“TOP SECRET 73 A s e d 20%) 5 4 s 4 0 0 0 the way President Kennedy presided over those two meetings. He was annoyed by the Congo and irritated by it and he was worried that he had to spend so much bloody time on it, but he was damn well determined to see the thing …”
“… 7 Mr. Tweedy. I think it probably came up in the sense that the thrust df the American position was that there was no 9 , solution in the Congo without the fall from power of Mr. Lumumba, I, 1. 1 and no measure should be overlooked to achieve this -- constitu- tional revolutiona …”
“… policy guidance and was thus 9 Iacting accordingly. 10 Mr. Baron. Between this cable on August 26th which Allan Dulles dispatched to the Congo and the cable we will now mark Exhibit 2, which is cable from yourself to Leopoldville on September 19th, marked Eyes Only, Guthman fro …”
“… Mr. Baron. Back on the record. This cable begins with your indication to the Chief of Station that someone was proceeding shortly to the Congo who would announce himself as Sid from Paris. i / First of all, to backtrack, Guthman, in this cable, is 17 the Chief of Station, is …”
“… t I would have b It expected. 9 Mr. Baron. Do you have any independent recollection of 1. dispatching Sidney Cottlieb on a mission to the Congo? Mr. Twaedy. I have the most unclear recollection that I 1: discussed with Mr. Bissell Sidney Gotfli-5's going - the ------ — 1. : Con …”
“TOP SECRET e 14 mnone(Asezon saa-soc 1 dispatch Sidney Gottlieb to the Congo on a highly sensitive 2 mission? Mr. Tweedy. it does indeed. 4 1 When you say I dispatched him, I would say it would be 5 more accur …”
“… nt to you the testimony of Sidney 11 Gottlieb about two conversations that he had t Headquarters VL before he undertook the mission to the Congo in September f • Cava 1‘ 1960. First, when Dr. Gottlieb looked at this cable and some 15 subsequent cables which we will discuss tod …”