“s so strongly that she told me that if this were not done, there would be a very strong feeling a mo ng groups in Europe that this whole investigation was a whitewash and that we didn't get to the bottom of the thing. Now, strangely enough, there was an article that appeared in t”
“TV and on radio, both in Britain and on the continent. And he has got a book coming out on the 8th. And he has got a book coming out and she feels that essential in your report that you dispose of his allegations or indicate the errors on which he draws his conclusions. She feels”
“Yes, it was in the Post. W: Yes, I read Roberts. Saturday morning, I read that, saying that he thou ght we ought to go int o all of these things. DCI: Now, Fleur is in town today. She is leaving this evening. She would like very much and it might be worth your time if she could d”
“very quickly off any given line. 19 Mr. Goldsmith. Would the transcripts be reviewed by. 20i you -in chronological order? 21! Mr. Shaw. I got them in batches and I would review them just in the: order in which they came. I might have shuffled 23° them in chronological ord”
“ncipal witness, an d we will call on other s as questioning 15 14 might require, and I would dir ect each of you when you do respond, to identify yourselves, please , f or the record. 16 I think that we will spen d j ust a f ew mor e m inu tes to al low 17 th e members of the Com”
“ng Chalmers usually indulges in. No, it was entirely foreign to his to areas that are normal to him. The thing that I didn't like about it, he rather intimated that this came from some source within the Commission. I didn't read that into it. But you would be more alert to that t”
“have dealt with Oswald. The conversations are summarized below for easy reference.470/ In the following discussion the conversations will be referred to by date and occurrence. time of occurance. Classification:—u 391 UEmL ONCI1C ■» Classified by derivation: ' NW 48327 ”
“that they were, but I just wanted to be sure from you that you felt so. @ H: DCI: H: DCI: H: DCI: H: We have had the very best support that we could possibly expect from you. Good. Well you can call on us for anything we have. We will feel free to do that I think it is an exceedi”
“ilding, it's the Veteran's Foreign War Building on the fourth floor. It's a white marble building... I'll find it. If you have any questions about anything that occurred to you beforehand and you want to ask me, don't hesitate to call me. Should I come alone or do you want me to ”
“t I'l l do. I will bring with me the man that's been principall y involved in answering any qu estio ns that you've had. I know you've had some. And if something occurs to you why we'll just let you go off the record and ask him if there's something that you don't feel that you c”
“the bottom of whatever is troubling ■ them. . During the session I made it clear that I was puzzled by their ques tioning during the day since it was apparent that they had not yet absorbed1 the information we had already provided and which we think satisfactorily answers ”
“and and you want to ask me, don't hesitate to call me. Should I come alone or do you want me to brin g somebody with me? Whatever your pleasure. I see. R: DCI: R: It makes no difference as far as the Commission... DCI: R: DCI: R: I'll tell you what I'll do. I will bring with me t”
“arrangement that we made before we began, and correct me if this 23 is not your understanding of the arrangement, that we are 24 testifying here today without placing you under oath because 25 TOP SECRET HW”
“P SECRET 2 M 1 PROCEEDINGS fans gAras1013 Co * a wA FEE C-T (69 wire faxse-t* 2 The Chairman. We will come back into order. * 3 Mr. Goodwin, would you please take the oath? 4 Do you swear that all the testimony you r about to give 5° in this proceeding will be the tru”
“he Com mission and tha t the en tire t ext of his report ix has been filed in Was hi ngton wit h the Commission. H e's appar ently trying to give some respectability to it in that way. Some of the X Commission think that we should call him, some think that it would just advertise”
“(Reaction) 23. Did you give us any kind of information about OSWALD? Answer: Yes. (No reaction) . *! *Before the beginning of the examination, the polygraph operator”
“ld have been either. DCI: Could have been either and sometimes those fellows shift from one newspape r to the other. NW 65990 Docld:32403740 Page 7 W: DCI: W: DCI: This is n not the kind of thing Chalmers usually indulges in. No, it was entire ly foreign to his to areas that are ”
“Foreign War Building on the fourth floor. It's a white marble building. .. I'll find it. If you hav e any questions about anything that occurred to you beforehand and you want to ask me, don't hesitate to cal l me. Should I come alone or do yo u want me to br ing somebody with me”
“DCI present? 21 Mr. Halley. Yes, the DCI was present, and he gave a 22 portion of the presentation. As I recall, Mr. FitzGerald gave 23 the other portion of the presentation. 24 Mr. Baron. Who at that point replaced William Harvey as 25 Chief of Task Force W? TOP SECR”
“th 18 SECKET Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 A Sure. 2 2 I am sorry we had to take so much of your time. o1 A That is all right. 4 ; Thank you again. 5 ! (Whereupon, at 3:35 o’clock p.m., the taking of the 6 1 11 deposition was concluded.) J 7 11■ 8 9 10 ! 11i 12”
“22 I time they defected is not the’operative consideration. 73 ! Mr. Goldsmith. No, it was not. 24 Mr. Tovar. The time of the debriefing ■— as n Mr. Goldsmith. Yes, that would be the focus. ( NW 48331 DocId: 32277210 Page 12 TOP SECRET”
“bh 18 Phone (A rea 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 SECRET 112 1 A Sure. 2 2 I am sorry we had to take so much of your time. o A That is all right. 4 Thank you again. 5 (Whereupon, at 3:35 o’clock p.m.. the taking of the: 6 deposition was concluded.) 7 8 9 10 DO W A ”
“I: R: It makes no difference as far as the Commission... DCI: R: DCI: R: I'll tell you what I'll do. I will bring with me the man that's been principally involved in answering any questions that you've had. I know you've had some. And if something occurs to you why we'll just let”
“IUP ACUAEI 47 1 professional advice on. 2 I think your questions have been reasonable. I have found 3 no objection to try to meet you more than halfway on it. 4 Mr. Goldsmith. Fine. Thank you very much. 5 (Whereupon, at 3:20 pm., the deposition was concluded.) 6 8 9 ”
“ch 18 SE KEl Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 1 A Sure. 2 : 2 I am sorry we had to take so much of your time. o - A That is all right. Q Thank you again. (Whereupon, at 3:35 o’clock p.m., the taking of the 6 deposition was concluded.) 7 8 , 9 10 11 ! 12 i W ARD a ”
“eld stated that the HSCA's interview with Ramon Alvarez Durant was considered "highly sensitive". He ed that three rooms at a nearby hotel would be used. Page 2 } : First Draft Page Two”
“ch 13 SECKEL Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 1 . A Sure. 2 : 2 I am sorry we had to take so much of your time. o i A That is all right. 4 Q Thank you again. (Whereupon, at 3:35 o’clock p.m., the taking of the 6 7 deposition was concluded.) 7 - 8 j 9 101 11 12 y W ”
“strangely enough, there was an article t hat appeared in the Washington Post on Saturday, which you undoubtedly read. Is that the one by John Henshaw? No, the one by Chalmers Roberts. I didn't see the Roberts one, but I have one by Henshaw - I'm just reading it right now. I have ”
“Fitzgerald? 24. i! A I simply overheard it, that is right. 25 Q And who were the parties to the conversation you over- NW 50955 DocId:32203851 Page 12 SECRET”
“lows shift from one newspaper to the other. NW 65990 Docld:32403740 Page 7 W: DCI: W: DCI: This is n not the kind of thing Chalmers usually indulges in. No, it was entirely foreign to his to areas that are normal to him. The thing that I didn't like about it, he rather intimated ”
“after the man has settled down for two or three days and become composed. We do it in the privacy of our office or wherever he may be, or in his own home or apartment. We interviewed him twice in regard to that angle that we were looking for. We had no indication at this time”
“representation for you? 21 Mr. Osborn. I wish they were paying him, but they are not. 22 I am. 23 Mr. Wallach. I will ask Mr. Rhea to begin his segment of 24 the examination. 25 NW 50955 DocId: 32281990 Page 2 TOP SECRET”
“I have tried 19 20 quite carefully to tell, you my recollection. Mr. Smothers. We are merely trying now to establish 21 22 those relationships so that when we get the point in the 0 ‘7 do record there is some question regarding the nature of the recollection that mi”
“se what has been said. R: DCI: R: DCI: Right. But nevertheless, I think your position is conside rab ly different than the one I mentioned. You think about it, whether you think that if we dress ourselves directly to it in a separate section of the report with all of these claims”
“your very close association with this investigation, I venture to ask this question—do you, from your knowledge of the investigation find—was there any evidence in 27”
“n she was married to Mike Cowles and she told me of the extent to 2 NW 65990 Docld:32403740 Page 4 ( which Buchannan had captured the radio and television audiences in Great Briton and on the continent and went so far as to say that unless the Commission's report dealt with his a”
“issues that were being discussed, to the fact that detailed, 21 substantive back-up for whatever questions might be put to the 22 Agency spokesmen. I made reference to that because you asked 23 me if I knew the relationship between Mr. McCone and this 24 three-man group. ”
“was actually in charge of the Cuban position. 22 The Chairman. When are we going to get Harvey? 23 Mr. Schwarz. He is coming next Wednesday morning. 24 We are going to get some of this same conflict between 25 the no-holds-barred testimony, which in his mind I guess he ”
“leaflets, and pamphlets, 23 and things like that, just & esofrom themfilm• 24 Mr. Schwarz. Who authorized that? 25 Mr. Halpern. X who was then Division Chief. TOP SECRET HW 50955 DocId: 32281927 Page 11”
“would come to the C 2) , Special Assistant’s office. 0 washes 9 te n % 1 !! Mr. Schwarz. i want to see if we can be more precise on dates to check on what other evidence we have. We have 4 1 0 F irst S treet 5 * A«J ther evidence that discussions of this matter were g”
“be instructed to "go to the bathroom for a while and the case officer will have to use this opportunity to drop his cover and go on with his job. He will have in his pocket a reel of tape to counteract Ab emphatic refusal ( which we must anticipate ). f. It may be mentioned ”
“23 interference and this type of thing. 24 Q For how long a period did these debriefings go on? 25 SECRET I Photocopy from Gerald Ford Library NW 50955 DocId: 32275454 Page 62”
“t quite steamed up about things. We have taken closer to 400 than 300 witnesses' testimony and we ha ve tak en it deliberately so tha t nob ody can s ay that we have just been rubber stamped for the Secret Servic e or the FBI or anybody else. Well, I told her in great detail at d”
“by case, whatever concerns me, my 13 biography, my work, whatever cases I knew, whatever cases I 24 was involved, all questions were raised by 20, 30 times each 25 case,, when it was reevaluation of all information given by me. HW 50955 1 DocId: 32277209 Page 82 TOP SECR”
“being briefed on it. 20 Two, that it was entirely an untargetted — that it 21 was in no sense a plan to do anything to anyone. * 22 And third, and I think quite important, that it was not anoperation which had any specific target. 0 Mr. Schwarz. You said you were in e”
“on matters of this kind. 22: Mr. Dawson. Who else other than the DDP or DCI would have such authority? iS ite rs O lr 24 Mr. Tweedy. I don't know. 25 TOP SECRET”
“resent while the agent presented O'HARA with certain papers which would inform O'HARA of the matters set forth in referenced teletype. Thereafter, O'HARA would have the option of responding to the interviewing agen t and of d”
“Phone (A rea 202) 544-6000 TOP SECRET 69 1 such amperson, i ng with a 2 called DOm Mr. Halpern. That I participated? No, sir. 4 Mr. Schwarz. 00-9 g% whanything aboutat ibsing 5 "o 'Bomokok 6 Mr. Halpern. No, sir. I was only in Bangkok, I think, 7 once in my life. ”
“23 li interference and this tvpe of thing. 24 Q For how long a period did these debriefings go on? 25 SECRET Photocopy from Gerald Ford Library NW 50955 DocId: 32275518 Page 62”
“to give you: 20 that opportunity, would you then get those files, review them, 21 and respond to the request by the Committee that you appear the: 22 first of next week to testify? 23 Mr. Goodwin. If that is your wish, certainly. 24 The Chairman. We are most anxious to ”