“e of Technical Service (Mr. Brandwein and Jean Turoff), Office of the General Counsel: Mr. Rininger. After there has been time to consider the problems that will be faced, the undersigned will ask for a meeting with repre- sentation as appropriate from the above components. 5. Ar”
“copy of the agenda is attached. 2. (S) Significant points of consensus were: Providing CIA Documents ---An Addendum to the Memorandum of Understanding is being drafted. In essence, it provides a CIA security beachhead within HSCA offices with a CIA-controlled safe containing sens”
“er will be reviewed in a working session by designated representatives of the various organizations. NW 65924 Docld:32369813 Page 3 SECRET 2. : SECRET 6. A common criteria for security review and pro- posed sanitization will be necessary to insure some rational standard and some ”
“TOP SECRET 40 1 our recommendations. -dlb 2 Mr. Aaron. Okay. begin 2a 3 Mr. Maxwell. Well, Charlie, correct me. I think the 4 proprietary section would be the appropriate section because 5 that would be where it came up most,,unless there is another 6 one that you see mo”
“TOP SECRET 27 1' arrangement we had previously, that is to say, that none of 2 this is final, and certainly not until we hear the comments a of the Agency. 4 Is that still observed? 5 The Chairman. Yes, that is still the situation. Nothing 6 becomes final until the fi”
“TOP SECRET 38 1 fowl of the other. 2 Senator Huddleston. I think; we've already said that ■ 3 pressures sometimes were brought to bear and we make recommenda- 4 tions to correct that. 5 Ms. Culbreath. Mr. Chairman, could I suggest that maybe if 6 we do delete that, tha”
“TOP SECRET 49 1 Senator Huddleston. So if you are going to use the term 2 "small," you've got to say it from the standpoint ■ of employees 5 or resources. 4 Ms. Culbreath. I. was just going to suggest that, since 5 another of our recommendations suggests, annual review ”
“ddress the problem. 2 : : NW 65924 Docld:32401055 Page 3 E2, IMPDET CL by 13190 SERBET 21663. SECRET 5. I noted that I had written asking for an up-to-date statement of the internal practice of access within the HSCA staff. I knew that they observed a need-to-know principle and i”
“TOP SECRET 76 1 others, recommended very strongly that there be more unofficial 2 cover.. 3 I think the Agency has been under considerable pressure 4 throughout its existence to do that, and as Joe pointed out 5 there are certain limits to what it has been able to do. 6 ”
“0f . NCR ha § 5 Senator Huddleston. Tthink it’s probably material to also to have a firmer granr when, we start discussing- and defending the report maybe, even to the extent of having specific figures. I think it's highly unlikely that they will let that stay 5 in ther”
“es primarily to apprise the employee of his or her dilemma. OGC will request further advice from the Attorney General. Should the most pessimistic development come to pass, the situation will be more political than legal. The رد fact is that time is of the essence, and any stretc”
“TOP SECRET 39 1 Mr. Kirbow. Mr. Chairman, may I suggest that maybe 2 perhaps we use this type of part of .the investigation and what 3 we know from certain of the other files to prohibit this type 4 of conduct by law in the future in our general recommendations? 5 ' Sen”
“exception, I would have told you up until the beginning of this current public discussion, that 24 was the way it went, and that nothing went outside it, and 25 that the Agency and the Defense Intelligence Agencies, with TOP SECRET HW 50955 DocId:32123106 Page 2.”
“stated it would be helpful to have the HPSCI view during, the negotiation process. Tom Latimer then asked that we make sure we keep him supplied with all the position papers that have been developed by the Working Group which we agreed to do. ( C ) 5. Finally, the DCI discuss”
“TOP SECRET 31' 1 Senator Huddleston. We ought to move on. 2 Mr. Aaron. The next section is proprietaries and cover. 3 Senator Huddleston. I just wonder if in presenting this. 4 these three, these four, now, that we have just approved, it 5 would be of any value to assert”
“TOP SECRET 38 1 that we discussed and the staff- was asked to rewrite went to 2 the question of any changes or waivers of Agency directives 3 or recommendations, and as considered by the Committee 4 yesterday. The agreement was —- and if that proposal is 5 one of the ”
“difference between what the Agency has already taken upon 22 itself and what this recommendation involves is this recommen- 23 dation extends it to individuals who are not accredited. 24 There are a number — the figures that the Committee has 25 NW 50955 DocId:32423521 T”
“TOP SECRET .50 1 that's the one that ran all of the problems. . 2 Senator Huddleston. You do mention that somewhere, don't 3 you? 4 Mr. Aaron. It's not mentioned specifically, but it might 5 be possible to say, you know, maybe you can put a footnote on ■ 6 the first par”
“;of the. defense report which is the substance of that, has been e. discussed at great length with the Defense Department and they are happy with it except well, happy with it may: be an ■4 exaggeration but they have no problems with it except for the 5 numbers and the Com”
“TOP SECRET 53 1 there, giving the Committee authority to establish guidelines, 2 to establish for large proprietaries, should they become 5 necessary. 4 You could also make the statement there that the Committee 5 may call for a. GAO audit periodically. 6 Mr. diGenova.”
“their staffs, which was granted after the normal briefings and signing of the - “-secrecy oath: ; S. Armed Services Committee - Appropriations Committee S. ... . Aeronautical and Space Sciences Committee May I reiterate’ the points I made on Friday: * a. No material is bei”
“TOP SECRET 54 1 Mr. diGenova. May deem necessary. 2 Senator Huddleston. That’s all right. 3 Mr. diGenova. And then we could add, as part of its 4 annual report, the GAO should record all of its intercessions. 5 That should be '"report.” .They record all.of them, so change ”
“TOP SECRET 4 1 and inquiry into it has been thorough, and I think we know this 2 well. There is no dispute from the Agency. 5. Senator Huddleston., Weil, is the law inconsistent with 4 the statute on the information service? 5 Mr. Bader. It is the same .thing. I would r”
“22 from this in the promulgation of a specific directive. 97 That’s slightly out, of synch with- the order of some of - 24 the other recommendations. The Committee might want to choose 9 to drop - that -to a footnote or to do it in some other way. .. TOP SECRET WAR ft PA”
“classified to outside, non-governmental review. It is against this background that, in response to the committee's request, I cite our few technical reservations about the mechanism established by the joint resolution to achieve this same result. I intend to address only Inte”
“where we / 2.1 maybe have it pretty well covered until we get some opportunity 22 to see, how this new set-up is going to work, whether we’re 23 going to have the kind of abuses we had before. Maybe we-don’t 24 need each of these details of Congress going down into the ”
“q‘1 70 g A, KM SECRET 70 Then the question arose about the deadline on the 15th fl and the-Chairman is going to ask that this deadline be set aside because of the problems of not being able to finish 4 security and those other matters. 5 So he is taking steps to do that ”
“74 TOP SECRET 1. number of things that the Committee has already decided to do. 2 Senator Huddleston; We are eliminating a lot of cover. 3 Mr. Aaron. That's the. first thing-. 4 Now, the second thing — and these are nonoffocial cover 5 categories. The second, thing tha”
“TOP SECRET 62 1 • Senator Huddleston. Well, where will a it disappear 2 now? It won’t come to the authorization committee and the 5 appropriations committee. I mean, it won't be a line item/. 4 Mr. Aaron. Proprietaries as a category? 5 Mr. Maxwell'. I would assume-it is”
“TOP SECRET 18 1 agency of certain people unless in some way that use affects 2 the rights and/or in some vague way affects the mental processes 5 to the detriment of the American citizenry, that we don’t 4 concern ourselves with passing laws to protect the person who 5 ”
““r -iF. i 45 re agreed upon at the Tfevpl that were left out. Mr. Aaron. I have on here. Mr. Kirbow. Well just for your information, there intents to be 'several things which were not just an occasional |one but several things that were agreed on at the staff level t”
“out there. The four that are hot are the Congress Lor %5 oversight and the CIA budget paper, although the budget section TOP SECRET VARD 2 PAUL NW 50955 DocId:32423509 Page 70”
“Schwarz admitted, however, that some type of arrangement- would have to be made to insure that the Intelligence Community had some protection against unauthorized disclosures by staff j members of the SSC. _ / Enclosures WOC:ebe, CONTINUED - OVER (7) 202 1 ENCLOSURE 42 1”
“TOP SECRET 48 1 larger in terms of finances, also. Then you, have both of the 2 problems we addressed in the paper, which was the risk of 3 unfair competition with private' enterprise, and- the risk of , 4 blowing cover, of compromising security. 5 So I think that 6 S”
“nature of the inquiry, the more 410 F irs t S tre e t, S.E., W ashington, D .C . 20003 19;! difficult it will be to obtain the information, that if we are: 20; concerned about a possible illegality or abuse, then the 21 Department will make it as difficult as possible for ”
“RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH GOS WOULD CARE TO MAKE ON OR OFF THE RECORD. COS MERELY COMMENTED THAT CONGRESSMAN MILFORD’S, PLANNED LEGISLATION SEEMED EXCELLENT AND NOTED THAT THE AGENCY WAS NOT ATTEmPTING TO AVOID RESPONSIBLE 4 OVERSIGHT BY THE CONGRES, BUT ADDED THAT A SECRET SERV”
“03 EH 1V under their authorized ,- rongth p Mr. Inderfurth. Another alternative is to say should consider establishing a mannower ceiling. ' 4 Mr. Kirbow. Could I make the point that oversight 5 of any agency necessarily entails looking lat the -number of 6 people it”
“of course, has no way of knowing whether you will be called to appear during these public hearings. 1 You are hereby advised that the Agency's agreement with the Committee under which you have been authorized to disclose classified information to Committee representatives does no”
“100 -referential treatment nrf advancement within the Agency. D Is that what we’re Ervina to get to here? Mr. Kirbow. They say it’s within the clandestine services ] that the covert operator gets more advancement within the 5 clandestine services side of the house than”
“*d%K8h Mr. Aaron. That lnot what we want to convey and so 9 vou are correct. Mr. Kirbow. They should review the policies and goals 4 and requirements. really. 5 Mr. diGenova. How about policy at the end of the first gion tence? 7 Mr. Aaron. Human intelligence collec”
“TOP SECRET 3 -1 And then the question is whether or not there is a prohi- 2. bition on printing in the English language. 5 Mr. Bader. And as I heard the consensus this morning. 4 we would not move to that recommendation; 'for a prohibition. 5 I did not hear whether on t”
“dvou’re now directing another committee to do many thirds within a short verid of time and Fhay mav have more important r commendations that they consider too. 4 Now- Mr. Aaron. Senator Huddleston. l would like for our recommendations 6 to be more specific, but I recog”
“collection efforts and clear only those’ ' ■ staff personnel with an absolute "need to know” about such systems, : and that documents related to such systems be handled in a compart- mented fashion by the Select Committee. The responsible departments and agencies would be gla”
“TOP SECRET 1 this, furthermore, or adding to that, the fiscal impact or 2 the budgetary impact of the proprietaries should be included 3 or defined in the DCI's budget presentation. 4. Mr. Maxwell. Specifically discussed? 5 Mr. diGenova. That, language would mean it’s inclu”
“TOP SECRET 64 1 Mr. Aaron. Let me try another fix here because I’m 2 not too sure. 5 The oversight committee shall require the fiscal impact of 4 proprietaries in the CIA's budget be made clear in the Director' 5 5 authorization presentation, or what phrase is that? In ”
“TOP SECRET .71 1 be raised since the Federal Disposal of Property Act would not 2 have applied which would have flagged that legally to any other 3 agency. 4 Mr. Aaron. It would also strengthen the Agency's hand- to - 5 resist those purposes, to just simply say, hey, th”
“TOP SECRET Ji '1 Here again you come to the' notional. 2 Mr. diGenova. No, no, Charles, because- the point they 3 made during our review out there was . that, never have the - 4 proprietaries appeared in the budget presentation. They have 5 been hidden, and the object i”
“is that the Committee 24 recommend that the CIA, by regulation, handle this matter 25 rather than make it statutory. TOP SECRET WARQ & PAUL NW 50955 DocId:32423521 Page 32”
“of the intelligence. ' ." community. Clearing each and every such reference with every - - agency.mentioned could manifestly be extremely consuming of time and manpower. Y 7. I propose the Ad Hoc Group agree on the following procedure. - Where it appears that truly sensitiv”
“Mr. diGenova. Aren’t rou talking about the consolidation? Mr. Aaron. No, we’re talking about the paragraph that just precedes it. I’m sorry, this is the bracketed portion... 3]I’ll read it out. "The CIA should receive USC approva I of all counter- intelligence activitie”