“W— -NNNW- 4 1 air too, I would expect. 2 Before we get into the substance here, I understand that our new mandate is if possible to complete ours no later than 4 Friday. So we're going to try to shoot for tomorrow. 5 What the Chairman would like to do would be for us to”
“0f . NCR ha § 5 Senator Huddleston. Tthink it’s probably material to also to have a firmer granr when, we start discussing- and defending the report maybe, even to the extent of having specific figures. I think it's highly unlikely that they will let that stay 5 in ther”
“;of the. defense report which is the substance of that, has been e. discussed at great length with the Defense Department and they are happy with it except well, happy with it may: be an ■4 exaggeration but they have no problems with it except for the 5 numbers and the Com”
“… priate from the above components. 5. Arrangements will be made by OLC with Printing Services Division for priority reproduction of the HSCA draft report immediately upon receipt. The number of copies will be determined by agreement among the above parties. Distribution of copies will be by h …”
“@s. owe: V #1044 ‘Monday or Tuesday, even his hope is that during the course 2 of the next week the Full Committee will finish that. In the meantime, of course, we can still be working on 4 these reports looking toward: hopefully, if we could have those 5 bv the end of ”
“TOP SECRET 54 1 Mr. diGenova. May deem necessary. 2 Senator Huddleston. That’s all right. 3 Mr. diGenova. And then we could add, as part of its 4 annual report, the GAO should record all of its intercessions. 5 That should be '"report.” .They record all.of them, so change ”
“TOP SECRET 55 1 report to the oversight committee as well as such independent ■ 2 GAO audits' as the committee shall direct. As part of its 5 annual report to 'the .oversight Committee"' — "As part of its 4. report to the oversight Committee, the CIA shall report," and 5”
“TOP SECRET 40 1 our recommendations. -dlb 2 Mr. Aaron. Okay. begin 2a 3 Mr. Maxwell. Well, Charlie, correct me. I think the 4 proprietary section would be the appropriate section because 5 that would be where it came up most,,unless there is another 6 one that you see mo”
“q‘1 70 g A, KM SECRET 70 Then the question arose about the deadline on the 15th fl and the-Chairman is going to ask that this deadline be set aside because of the problems of not being able to finish 4 security and those other matters. 5 So he is taking steps to do that ”
“TOP SECRET 56 1 the first sentence in.No. 1, and after we say the external 2 and internal controls, the oversight committee should require ar 3 annual report of all proprietaries by the CIA, including an 4 internal CIA audit and all intercessions that the CIA may have 5 m”
“Commission report. 29 Now as the first recommendation, I think that we have 23 agreed at the staff level to take out - the brackets and put a . 24 footnote which would, make it clear that while the primary 25 mission- of the CIA would be to collect denied, or protected fo”
“F irs t S tre e t, S.E., W ashington, D .C . 20003 Senator Hart of Michigan. But what is not clear-cut to 19 me is how we report to our peers. 20 The Chairman. We will take that up. 21 Senator Schweiker. We discussed that at one meeting. We 22 had a little informal meet”
“*d%K8h Mr. Aaron. That lnot what we want to convey and so 9 vou are correct. Mr. Kirbow. They should review the policies and goals 4 and requirements. really. 5 Mr. diGenova. How about policy at the end of the first gion tence? 7 Mr. Aaron. Human intelligence collec”
“22 from this in the promulgation of a specific directive. 97 That’s slightly out, of synch with- the order of some of - 24 the other recommendations. The Committee might want to choose 9 to drop - that -to a footnote or to do it in some other way. .. TOP SECRET WAR ft PA”
“classified to outside, non-governmental review. It is against this background that, in response to the committee's request, I cite our few technical reservations about the mechanism established by the joint resolution to achieve this same result. I intend to address only Inte”
“TOP SECRET 64 1 Mr. Aaron. Let me try another fix here because I’m 2 not too sure. 5 The oversight committee shall require the fiscal impact of 4 proprietaries in the CIA's budget be made clear in the Director' 5 5 authorization presentation, or what phrase is that? In ”
“TOP SECRET 72 .1 note that back on page 67 where we have struck out the reference 2 to Mr. Raborn and intend to expand on the pressures having 5 been brought to bear, part of that expansion should include 4 a statement’ that there is no — or that the Federal Disposal 5 ”
“elements of the intelligence . .- . community. Clearing each and every such refel ence with crc.y* agency mentioned could manifestly be extremely consuming of time . and manpower. - . ' - 7. I propose the Ad Hoc Group agree on the following procedure. Where it appears that ”
“appreciate those suggestions, But in summary the release of the CIA records in accordance with the general outline contained in this resolution would not damage any current CIA operations; is that correct? 10”
“66 knowing. 2 .Mr. Kirbow. Bill because you and I both know Senator o Mathias’s previous intentions stated in the letter to the 4 Chairman, was there somewhere a discussion about releasing 5 this piecemeal ahead of time that might. that should go on the 6 record here? ”
“in the next session of Congress. 24 Mr. Sprague. At the next sess ion I wou ld lik e t o p res en t 25 NW 66000 Docld:32266459 Page 6 378 1 what I think will be a preamble there which I think would 2 then save this resolution, the wording of it, from subsequent 3 attack. 4 91 Mr.”
“0 0 3 I am glad to. 20 Mr. Baron. There may be one way you can help right now. 21 I know that before we. started today Bill Miller, the Staff 22 Director of the Committee, indicated that the Committee would 23 be interested in hearing you out at great length on policy ”
““r -iF. i 45 re agreed upon at the Tfevpl that were left out. Mr. Aaron. I have on here. Mr. Kirbow. Well just for your information, there intents to be 'several things which were not just an occasional |one but several things that were agreed on at the staff level t”
“A€..%*n-5 words on paper. It tries Fo not at the problem of what are the 2 I programs and are they doing their job? 0 Mr. diGenova. Who do they make the recommendations to? The CFI? Mr. Aaron. Yes, or the President. Mr. Maxwell. One remark in connection with - '1 / ”
“st r . *1*.**:n the Senators. I’m sure 1-1- knorlthat the big fight in the House last vear was to avoid the excruciating details on budget figures and I think wo had kind of discussed perhaps ' publishing 3 or A major Fenturen I’d like to point out that in - this par”
“they 20 won’t report it to the authorization committee unless they 21 require it to get money. 22 So if you want to leave it a detailed budget, their 23 presentation to the budget committee, this language will get 24. that done. 25 Senator Huddleston. Well, what if yo”
“gas hi 235M 3*N8 * bi '1 quickly. 2 Mr. Aaron. I would recommend that we accept the suggestion that we put this in a positive sense and proceed - 4 on that basis and clarify the word penetrate and the fact 5 that it is the domestic aspect. 6 Mr. Kirbow. Could ye ask the”
“some of the more damaging items in the text as drafted. These are cited below: a. Page 15: Discussion of back channel communi cations used to circumvent the Secretary of State seems to be ill-advised and not designed to enhance Agency relations with State. b. Page 23: Ther”
“TOP SECRET 63 1 suggested got to that. 2 Mr. Aaron. Well, let me see if I can read out what I would 3 propose along the lines I think we discussed. 4 The oversight committee should require that the fiscal 5 impact of proprietaries be made clear in the OCX's budget 6 pr”
“h *** r ! D r -: E D IN C S Senator Huddleston •ot is come to order. Mr. Aaron. The agenda today is to proceed with the DCI i 4■ I section and in addition we would like to get the Subcommittee’s : 5 if you will substantive arrroval of the paper on the production j o”
“TOP SECRET 35 1 which have been authenticated by the Agency, that there are 2 some 60 Americans who are affiliated or are part of American. o media organizations around the world, part of a larger network 4 of some 400 journalists and the like who are part of the Agency'”
“1:811 Mer *9*08 59 1 : at the question of duplication with overt reporting by the 2 military attaches or by the foreign service or whomever. In other words, it’s trying to establish a standard. 1 Senator Huddleston. Okay, so where are we? 5 Mr. Aaron. I think we’re at the ”
“dvou’re now directing another committee to do many thirds within a short verid of time and Fhay mav have more important r commendations that they consider too. 4 Now- Mr. Aaron. Senator Huddleston. l would like for our recommendations 6 to be more specific, but I recog”
“@r.*G RH 125 outethe agoncies indivitollv: Leave ttt the FBI and the CIA. 2 Mr. Miller. I think naming them is a good idea. Senator Huddleston. Tguess this gets into the domestic 4' task force also. - R Mr-. Aaron. Yes. The Committee will want to look at that. 6 Now ”
“W-”• o*P•% 85 ; for this paragraph, that Be review and that he advise the President and the committee if in his opinion any of these practices violate the Co istitutional rights of American citizens ■ *.! or any other laws. 5 Mr. Kirbow. 1 I would fee I. much better abou”
“TOP SECRET 38 1 fowl of the other. 2 Senator Huddleston. I think; we've already said that ■ 3 pressures sometimes were brought to bear and we make recommenda- 4 tions to correct that. 5 Ms. Culbreath. Mr. Chairman, could I suggest that maybe if 6 we do delete that, tha”
“cutive session, and you may request that the Committee convene such a session to hear your response. If the Committee were to insist upon your testimony at this point, you are entitled to request that the Committee grant you an opportunity to confer with the Director of Central I”
“100 -referential treatment nrf advancement within the Agency. D Is that what we’re Ervina to get to here? Mr. Kirbow. They say it’s within the clandestine services ] that the covert operator gets more advancement within the 5 clandestine services side of the house than”
“% ■ "e" -84 hor 6% Ckam $ 1 on that matter before we can talk about the matter of the 2 practice of recruiting because I don't think we can use the 5 word practice until such time as we have 4 Mr. diGenova. I didn't mean to impugn the integrity 5 of your source. 6 T”
“difference between what the Agency has already taken upon 22 itself and what this recommendation involves is this recommen- 23 dation extends it to individuals who are not accredited. 24 There are a number — the figures that the Committee has 25 NW 50955 DocId:32423521 T”
“.long for this commit too -orrimend to another comid tree that 9 maybe they ought to do metbin but I guess it’s all right. Mr. Aaron. I’m a raid we do that quite a bit. a + Mr. Miller. We’re just laving out the agenda. r. Mr. Kirbow. Which is not binding on them. Mr.”
“TOP SECRET 53 1 there, giving the Committee authority to establish guidelines, 2 to establish for large proprietaries, should they become 5 necessary. 4 You could also make the statement there that the Committee 5 may call for a. GAO audit periodically. 6 Mr. diGenova.”
“51 TOP SECRET 51 1 and saying we examined proprietaries, we found them to be — 2 they had problems but basically they were all right. 5 Mr. Inderfurth. Couldn't that be in the body as well? 4 Mr. Kirbow. .The one thing we have failed to do on this 5 Committee'is where w”
“is that the Committee 24 recommend that the CIA, by regulation, handle this matter 25 rather than make it statutory. TOP SECRET WARQ & PAUL NW 50955 DocId:32423521 Page 32”
“14 2 v. wNa6 IT6 - . 14 iso far would have legislative authority over. So we’re really just recommending here that in this statute they provide the framework under which these kinds of reprogramming can be a done in view of the fact that we are extending the DCI from hisi”
“03 EH 1V under their authorized ,- rongth p Mr. Inderfurth. Another alternative is to say should consider establishing a mannower ceiling. ' 4 Mr. Kirbow. Could I make the point that oversight 5 of any agency necessarily entails looking lat the -number of 6 people it”
“TOP SECRET 27 1' arrangement we had previously, that is to say, that none of 2 this is final, and certainly not until we hear the comments a of the Agency. 4 Is that still observed? 5 The Chairman. Yes, that is still the situation. Nothing 6 becomes final until the fi”
“:A: fir. Aaron. I jure think st in drantine the charter n ; r 9 actually you can just say rott recommend by statute or you could say that the Committee recommends that it be removed or moved back - and- you can leave it to the PCI. to do it. 5 Senator Huddleston. lust”
“A3"r 77 52% 43ML, a 13 fair one . we have testimony ht Helms’ disposition on this was very clear. When he nianed the estimate it was his estimate and it really wasn’t the hoard’s estimate 1 Mr. Maxwell. Perhaps it might be useful because. I think 5 it is clear that he i”
“#°i A).a tat Pane 16 dav while the responsibility for directing tactical military 2 operations resides with whoever it is. , the DCI still ' shall have the review. 4 Mr. Davis. Well, review is, I think, the right word' because ' he’s going to try to, look at the whole. ”