“INTERVIEW AND MEETING SUMMARY Page 1__ of 2 v73 40 2 & FILE: This morning, Joe and I met with Paul David ("P.D.") at the Carroll Arms for approximately two hours. George Clarke from the CIA’s General Counsel's staff was present for the last fifteen minutes of the intervi”
“IOF SECRET Phone (A rea 202) 544-6000 46 1 ise Ge509 — my daughter happens to be married to a Brazilian_] 2 "service of figegI However, that was it. It was a 5 devious move. It was the final result - the idea being that 4 if such a flap did occur, someone would think it wa”
“TOP SECRET 8 Phone (A rea 202) 544-6000 1 Mr. Schwarz. I have been told, Mr. Harvey is this not 2 correct — that you not only conceived the program but helped. 3 S■ong Une amibiel” 4 Mr. Harvey. I did. 5 Mr. Schwarz. In 1959, did you become Chief of the Foreign 6 Intell”
“TOP SECRET 49 P h o n e (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 1 Eyes Only basis, and the first part of this was the necessary documentation for the authority which was later signed off on 5 by Dick Helms as Deputy Director. 4 Beginning on my page 4, your middle of page 3.— 5”
“TOP SECRET 51 Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 1 an employee who was working in the hiomadlor- lorsat some point in their 2 career? 5 Mr. Maheu. Yes, we did. 4 Mr. Madigan. Would you recall that to be around 1968, 5 or do you have a specific recollection? 6 Mr. Maheu: It w”
“D^ Tevre-We.yet .. “L tr d A • t TOP SECRET 80 Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 My advice to him was that it would probably not be a good 0 idea for him to meet him, and the only thing that I could see Ol coming out of that kind of a contact would be that he, Mr. FitzGerald,”
“t 119 o P TOP SECRET 2 Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 0 PROCEEDINGS; to Mr. Baron. Mr. Halley, is it true that you are here 1 testifying today under alias, and that Halley is not ectually your true identity?, Mr. Halley. That is correct. 0 O. Mr. Baron. Your true ide”
“TOP SECRET 40. Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 get back to it. After the Six-Day War the Soviets sent^out 2 ji barrage of propaganda in Arabic fto the Middle eag Perom 5 Ardio Moscow that the CIA — and then mentioned BLP1 Harvey, 4 who was working for us, and whom I had put in ”
“testified under oath was obvious that FBI and CIA that he didn't know "Saul." were compromised at the very top since both Agencies denied knowledge of "Saul", Noone wan :ed to hear anymore about him.”
“TOP SECRET Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 39 1 he made a trip to Russia. 86 ane 2 ,9 obcoug 0 8-0 bSGLg 09a631ol. 690 ai fe@fe 5 wager 50 andeltha (619105. 10 4 03gego to ovr-boe/” ills (25016 dhae abe se 5 gee rule ‘0) wills S00 6 this =lo.llc beve sopors,foshms. 7 Mr. Madi”
“3 P hone (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 TOP SECRET 1 My other duty, which was a more particular duty, was to be 2 in charge of the economic side of our foreign policy, which 3 included economic areas of the State Department, and also 4 included oversight and general dir”
“gah9 TOP SECRET 9 might have directed me to this particular unit. 3o 1 I was told that somewhere within' the overall political 2 and psychological staff there was located a man with a small o office. This man's name was Pash, Colonel Boris Pash, and % 4 ! 5 my understa”
“TOP SECRET 33 P hone (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 1 1960. 2 Mr. Madigan. It was sometime after you had begun in '54 5 with your Agency operation? 4 Mr. Maheu. That is correct. 5 Mr. Madigan. Or your sponsorship? 6 Mr. Maheu. That is correct. 7 Mr. Madigan. Subse”
“M TOP SECRET * *P4181e 84' 25 Pnone (Area 202) 544-6000 was involved primarily with Eastern European activities. Do Mr. Baron. You were aware of Mr. Harvey’s style of 10 operating? Mr. Halley. Yes. I worked with him — I think the date is somewhere in June or July of”
“gsh 11 TOP SECRET 11 Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 1 earlier, that when I first inquired around for the location of 2 Colonel Pash and his assistant, the reaction I encountered o was a rather jesting one, and the impression I gained was 4 here were a couple of men who were”
“TOP SECRET 53 Phone (A rea 202) 544-6000 1 before the 26/1-AS, , and the material which appears above 2 it which is tabbed SID G, tab 21. 3 Mr. Schwarz. That would be Sid Gottlieb? 4 Mr. Harvey. Sid Gottlieb. 5 Mr. Schwarz. Doesn’t the conversation with Sid Gottlieb ”
“TOP SECRET Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 42 1 Mr. Maheu. 0 I don’t recall, but my recollection is 2 was highly respected by the law enforcement authorities. 5 Whether shhe.was an informant for them or what the relationship 4 was, I don't know. 5 Mr. Madigan. ^^^fe f^^^^^^”
“gsh 23 TOP SECRET 23 P h o n e (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 6 4 -6 0 0 0 1% , b. 1B It was about that time that General Cushman was still 2 assigned to the CIA. I could be wrong about that but I seem o to have a memory of Cushman being around in those days. He was then a Colonel”
“gsh 72 TOP SECRET 72 P hone (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 roc@@=ucalols A.mselogets.rganization. I felt that a strict construction of the CIA charter made the project quite suspect D because if we were doing a book, for example, o adom@8ilcn U Communism, who was the t”
“phone (Area 202) 544-6000 TOP SECRET 35 1 Mr. Tweedy. No. 0 2 Mr. Dawson. All right. 3 Mr. Tweedy. But if he went as a courier, I will bet 4 I knew it, but I don’t recall it. 5 Mr. Baron. Having heard this story, would it be your 6 assumption it is morellikely to be”
“TOP SECRET 128 P hone (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 1 night. Q 6 2 Mr. Wides. ( If you associate that with (1) NOV o 9 you must have been told more than just, we have an informant. 4 How would it be discussed at the meeting, through this 5 proprietary we have acc”
“61 until April 30th, 1965. (Classified Top Secret testimony, 8/17/78, p.4) During t he course of the deposition, the following questions and answers were recorded: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Q: Do you know or did you know Maurice Bishop? A: Yes. Q: Was he a n agency employee? A: I believe s”
“Juf fim “OII E Ni. fim ill Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 1 0 YOu mean a source of A. Source of information of another agent. Another 2 i agency agent. 4 4 0. Do the files of the Agency reflect any matter? A. To my knowledge I don’t recall anything like that but; ] it is ”
“IUP DECKEL P h o n e (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 141 that moment began cooperating with the Chief of Station. I don’ t Do recall any instance where' there was any indication of hesitancy 01 on his part about doing what he was doing. And I certainly can’t comment a”
“gsh 35 TOP SECRET 35 P hone (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 1 And he seemed a little startled. I have already indicated 2 that. What I’m trying to do now is to refine my thoughts more o than I did previously when we were taking sort of a wide 4 swipe at the canvas. 5 Co”
“TOP SECRET 78 P hone (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 1 collapsed, the person who was to be the partner of Hughes 2 Aircraft in that particular venture threatened to sue Howard o Hughes and all of the Hughes interest for non-fulfillment of 4 contract, and I made a recomme”
“(Ibid, pp. 45,46) NW 66000 Docld:32271295 Page 3 (DAVID PHILLIPS) Insert into VECIANA fonzi 182 189 David Atlee Phillips testified before the committee in Executive Session on April 25, 1978. He said he never used the name Maurice Bishop. 182 of anyone in the CIA who used the nam”
“IVP DECKEL P hone (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 112 1 Mr. Schwarz. And this is a cable releasing officer Willia 2 Broe, authenticating officer David A Phillips, dated Octo- 0 ber 14, 1970, from CIA headquarters to Santiago, CIA. 4 And it says: 5 "Please deliver the fol”
“OP SECRET c-ww.se 1 0 32 4a-400 “*0 1s 1 All sorts of things were coming up from the field. I had a2 e 2 0 2 r commented on it here: in the end, I say, do not be discouraged n A e( 5 io :because you do not see the probable channel we will use. I m assume t”
“gsh 22 TOP SECRET 22 P hone (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 1 title designation rather than the name of the individual because, 2 so much time has passed, I have simply forgotten who it was in that particular era. 4 who at that time was a member of the German 5 branch ”
“SECRET/ScopE,(s) Memorandum to Mr. W. R. Wannall Re: Senstudy 75. furnish Israeli intelligence information on Arab moves in the Middle East crisis. During a meet in October, 1969, "Michael" was surveilled to the Israeli Consulate where he met Paul Korem, IIS representative. The”
“REASON WHY HE HAD BEEN ARRESTED IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS THAT HE HAD ■ WORKED WITH LEE HARVEY O SWALD IN AN ASSIGNMENT WITH A "U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCY." IT WAS A LONG STORY, HE SAID, AND HE DID NOT WANT TO GIVE ME ALL THE DETAILS, BUT INSTEAD WANTED TO ASSURE ME THAT HE HAD:”
“Phone (Area 2021 964-6000 TOP SECRET 58 officer’s signature, and you said to me a moment ago that © 1 o ds n 2 you are almost 100 percent sure that that is the pseudonym of William Harvey, is that right? Mr. Tweedy. Yes. 4. Mr. Baron. And you were just pointing t”
“leaders? 0Q to CQ Mr. Halley. No. I never had the impression that assassina o tion was a thrust of the activity. In other words, we were t working across-the-board, both in the context that Desmond to TOP SECRET 5”
“TOP SECRET 34 Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 1 it someone different? 2 Mr. Maheu. This request emanated from, directly from the 5 State Department. 4 Mr. Madigan. Who in the State Department? 5 Mr. Maheu. Mr. Scott McCloud, who was then Director of 6 the Office of Securi”
“14-00000 - - 12 - Page 185: McDonale he believes "Saul" was telling true story. CDH - I do too. Page 94: McDonald finds buck passing so pervasive that he cannot escape suspicion of a continued and officially backed cover-up. Page 199: McDonald said he thinks Can we ”
“Ivr SE-KEi P h o n e (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 47 1 as awBrazilian and the Brazilians were approached? 2 Mr. Phillips. It never occurred to us in our wildest o dreams to do that. 4 Mr. Schwarz. I suppose the relationships between con- 5 tinuing intelligence services ”
“impression I had when I left him was at 20 variance with what I had heard before I came in, where I heard 21 he and AM-CieIor he at least had been active in West Germany 22 in wet affairs, particularly kidnappings and that sort of 23 thing. 24 Mr. Baron. And you carried ”
“gsh 67 TOP SECRET 67 Phone (A rea 202) 544-6000 1 material? Would you urge them to publish a manuscript they 2 already had from another source? Would you give them a o manuscript that CIA personnel had written under a pseudonym? 4 Mr. Hunt. I don't think that ever took ”
““ni’ fits Vn I % e # Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 0 YOn mean a source of — Il n Source of information of another agent. Another agency agent. / 0. Do the files of the Agency reflect any matter? 5 A To my knowledge I don’t recall anything like that but A C: ■ it is en”
“gsh.65 TOP SECRET 65 Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 1 press publications or press placements or any responsibilities you may have had for media relations. + 2 o Mr. Hunt. After Allen Dulles's resignation and retirement, 4 I was assigned for about a period of a week to the”
“1. 1 SECRET bawovnv* MEMORANDUM FOR: Chief, Counterintelligence Staff FROM : Steven K. Rubenstein : . ■ fre C/CI/A/DER%-. SUBJECT , : PDDONOR - REFERENCES : A. Memo Dated 16 February 1970 From DC/Security Research Staff > #x wasdaisbaiste-c.A B. Memo Dated 14 Aug”
“IUP DECKEL Phone (A rea 202) 544-6000 128 1 of it, General Bennett and General Philpott feel that they are 2 embarrassed to refute the fact that they had already been doing 3 the work for the CIA t do halcoone 4 Now, all those things were not ordinary garden variety 5 dai”
“gsh 68B TOP SECRET 68B P hone (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 1 would like to have % MrOgets,publish, and it had to do with the 2 Chinese Pakigeam: border dispute, the name of which I can’t. 0 recall. So the manuscript would have been read by P869gx: 4 or his principal assi”
“organizations where they might 23 conduct some operational activity, provide some information, 24 under the impression that they were not working for the CIA 25 but for a company or, I think as one put it, I think, a group TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL HW 50955 DocId: 32423521 ”
“TOP SECRET Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 30 1 Mr. Liebengood. Was this listening post that you referred 2 to, was that a project that was related to work for the Central 3 Intelligence Agency? 4 Mr. Maheu. I don't believe it was. 5 Mr. Madigan. Did you have any New York a”
“smn 3 TOP SECRET 92 Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 1 as well as this other activity. 2 Now, in the lifestyle at the time, not mentioning the second one, this gets back into the recordkeeping that we have been 5 discussing. It was not to be put on the record although to be 4”
“gsh 12 TOP SECRET 12 Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 1 had no other function. If they had another function, I was 2 never made aware of what it was. o Do you know anything about Colonel Pash's background? 4 Mr. Baron. I know a bit, but if you think that there are' 5 relevan”
“42 P hone (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 TOP SECRET 1 Mr. Osborn. He was a Deputy undouc. Colmmie.ounk.o Goggmrs % - 2 He had a very high position was 3 his name. 4 Mr. Wallach. I note your attorney is taking notes. May 5 I ask if those will be provided to the CIA? 6”
“43 TOP SECRET operations that terminated in the mid-sixties that involved P hone (A re a 2 0 2 ) 5 4 4 -6 0 0 0 Do interceptions of propaganda) from other countries to the US? Mr. Osborn. I seem to have heard of this, but I can’t *A 01 recall it specifically. It sounds”