“this gives ‘ atil the Secretary Of State the chairmanship of a committee and I think promerly so. that doala with this larger problem of 5*2,. whither human intel licence so Ilection. Ur. Maxwell. r+1e unclear hers whether it's chaired 24 ”[, hy • representative of t”
“TOP SECRET. Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 29 126 1 and this is what they feared all along, and the whole intelli 2 gence apparatus would be gravely -weakened and the men in the 3 field would be jeopardized by investigation of this kind. 4 ■We take that chance with this kind of”
“f his bona fides and the sensitive information received from him should not be exposed to publicity. 3. Representative Devine is clearly supportive. He stated that he is opposed to "spreading defamation" of Government agencies. He had opposed creation of the Committee NW:65924 Do”
“f his bona fides and the sensitive information received from him should not be exposed to publicity. 3. Representative Devine is clearly supportive. He stated that he is opposed to "spreading defamation" of Government agencies. He had opposed creation of the Committee 22299 NW 65”
“es primarily to apprise the employee of his or her dilemma. OGC will request further advice from the Attorney General. Should the most pessimistic development come to pass, the situation will be more political than legal. The رد fact is that time is of the essence, and any stretc”
“wasn’t clear whether the 21 counter-intelligence committee was the appropriate one. 22 Mr. Aaron. Well, on that point, the purpose of setting 9’7 *-0 up the counter-intelligence -committee is essentially to look .24 at the domestic impact of our intelligence activities,”
“of the intelligence. ' ." community. Clearing each and every such reference with every - - agency.mentioned could manifestly be extremely consuming of time and manpower. Y 7. I propose the Ad Hoc Group agree on the following procedure. - Where it appears that truly sensitiv”
“0 0 3 I am glad to. 20 Mr. Baron. There may be one way you can help right now. 21 I know that before we. started today Bill Miller, the Staff 22 Director of the Committee, indicated that the Committee would 23 be interested in hearing you out at great length on policy ”
“cutive session, and you may request that the Committee convene such a session to hear your response. If the Committee were to insist upon your testimony at this point, you are entitled to request that the Committee grant you an opportunity to confer with the Director of Central I”
“4- % Wa 57 • 18 , Just to be the rlo- 1 lin advocate, one of thin values that 9 occurs to me: is to bring the State Department in touch with tea lity . ■1 Mr. Kirbow. Well you’ll never get me to tell a member of the Department of State personal business that I was condu”
“the intelligence 21 community to help him in the task of establishing these requiremen Now this is, an increase in .his authority from his current posture. He has feyt.o the authority to issue didance 20 in the preparation of rociremonts but he can’t really say do Ithis”
“aml ie PA SECRET 56 1 Mr. Aaron. The recommendation that relates to that is where? 3 Mr. Maxwell. I thought that we had made a finding. It 4 was number 25 on 39. That's a somewhat different order. 5 Mr. Aaron. Do I take it that 6 Senator Huddleston. Is this penetrati”
“@s. owe: V #1044 ‘Monday or Tuesday, even his hope is that during the course 2 of the next week the Full Committee will finish that. In the meantime, of course, we can still be working on 4 these reports looking toward: hopefully, if we could have those 5 bv the end of ”
“THE PERTINENT OBSERVATION THAT IT WAS A QUESTION FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE. IF IT WAS DECIDED TO SUBORDINATE CLAN- DESTINE ITELLIGENCE OPERATIONS IN THE FIELD DIRECTLY TO THE "APPROPRIATE : GEMENT COULD AND WOULD BE MADE. THE 93 I PRESSION BY MR. AARON THAT. AT LEA St ”
“@r.*G RH 125 outethe agoncies indivitollv: Leave ttt the FBI and the CIA. 2 Mr. Miller. I think naming them is a good idea. Senator Huddleston. Tguess this gets into the domestic 4' task force also. - R Mr-. Aaron. Yes. The Committee will want to look at that. 6 Now ”
“s•0„ 2/1%K a: a 121■ Mr. Kirbow. Senator thn individuals, we don’t have any 2 great big record that there were rogue agents out there in the FBI doing this. There ware rogue policies down at the ' headquarter ‘% Now if you have the same kind of, rogue policy in a new 5a”
“there never were more than four oversight committees as such. And now we are down to two. And I have been on public record and in print favoring one committee. As long as you are going to have committees, have one. But people 186 SECRET”
“66 knowing. 2 .Mr. Kirbow. Bill because you and I both know Senator o Mathias’s previous intentions stated in the letter to the 4 Chairman, was there somewhere a discussion about releasing 5 this piecemeal ahead of time that might. that should go on the 6 record here? ”
“Vo *gnv inn. I am an overt : i person. T his long to the CTA. It would , like you to tell Gabout your travels or advise us on some subject or what have you on an open basis, and that this relationship is completely above board in every way. ni And you don't have to worr”
“~dh 91 T00 SECRET 9 1. ■1. that. 2 Mr. Aaron. I think that’s a fair point. The question, 5 I guess, the case at which the certification would run most would 4 add to what already is in the sentence preceding it which A’s 0 is review by the Committee which the Attorney Ge”
“1:811 Mer *9*08 59 1 : at the question of duplication with overt reporting by the 2 military attaches or by the foreign service or whomever. In other words, it’s trying to establish a standard. 1 Senator Huddleston. Okay, so where are we? 5 Mr. Aaron. I think we’re at the ”
“elements of the intelligence . .- . community. Clearing each and every such refel ence with crc.y* agency mentioned could manifestly be extremely consuming of time . and manpower. - . ' - 7. I propose the Ad Hoc Group agree on the following procedure. Where it appears that ”
“TOP SECRET « 10 107 Phone (Area202)544-6000 1 explanation that he gave me verbally twas that the fact that 2 the Committee had notified the Department in its letter of 3 June 27th that certain cases that we were investigating were 4 abuse cases meant that any interview”
“.long for this commit too -orrimend to another comid tree that 9 maybe they ought to do metbin but I guess it’s all right. Mr. Aaron. I’m a raid we do that quite a bit. a + Mr. Miller. We’re just laving out the agenda. r. Mr. Kirbow. Which is not binding on them. Mr.”
“ion that exists concerning the authrity as the base 3 for this committee to operate on. Th ere is in my opinion 4 5 6 7 a grave question of constitutionality, not with regard to the ability of the Congress to be investigating, but with regard to the way in which the resolution th”
“sions for subsequent exchanges on the point but the key provision is the first five-day period. : 3. As a practical matter we will have two separate reviews to conduct--a security review and a substantive review. We probably should plan to conduct the two reviews at the same time”
“0gh ■■1' 190630%081 el - ro% 50 1 : Senator Hart. If it’s happening, I don’t think it should. 2 If we have to sacrifice some human intelligence, I don't think we ought to have a CIA guy tugging on somebody’s sleeve who's 4 filling out his immigration forms because it i”
“TOP SECRET 29 1 Senator Tower.- No. 2 Mr. Miller. Mr. Church? 5 The Chairman. Aye. 4 Senator Tower. I don’t think it is going to affect the 5 outcome, so I ask consent that he be recorded. 6 Mr. Miller. The ayes have it. It is six to four. Mr. '7 Mathias is still in”
“should carefully consider whether or not it is concerned about 07 *.> .7 the use of American companies in the pursuit of foreign 24 intelligence and 'f so, how this impacts on anybody’s rights 25 or otherwise. TOP SECRET WAHD R PAUL NW 50955 DocId: 32423509 Page 55”
“with the CIA as it sees fit on an individual agency basis. His motion carried and the Council proceeded to other business. SECRET”
“F irs t S tre e t, S.E., W ashington, D .C . 20003 Senator Hart of Michigan. But what is not clear-cut to 19 me is how we report to our peers. 20 The Chairman. We will take that up. 21 Senator Schweiker. We discussed that at one meeting. We 22 had a little informal meet”
“- S’ r 1 Now the next paragraph C Mr. Kirbow. Could *‘8 take these one at a time because these are rather critical? 1 Mr. Chairman, one of the things that came before this r; Committee when I guess it was Hr. Colby testifying and at each 6 meeting that Mr. Miller and ”
“TOP SECRET 37 1 Mr. Miller. Mr. Hart of Colorado’. 2. Senator Hart of Colorado. Aye. 3 Mr. Miller. Mr. Baker. 4, Senator Baker. Aye.s 5 Mr. Miller. Mr. Goldwater. 6 Senator Tower. No by proxy. 7 Mr. Miller. Mr. Mathias. 8 ■ (No response.) 9 Mr. Miller. Mr. Schw”
“% ■ "e" -84 hor 6% Ckam $ 1 on that matter before we can talk about the matter of the 2 practice of recruiting because I don't think we can use the 5 word practice until such time as we have 4 Mr. diGenova. I didn't mean to impugn the integrity 5 of your source. 6 T”
“21 national intelligence estimate one of these, board members 29 becomes the chairman. So they do play n very active role in the orena: ation. 24 Mr, Aaron tmlobe fention that in this connertion vour concern about the ad liby ruoblem. which I think is a' TOPSECRET v "!”
“receiving your initial response, by December 9, that designates your Agency Compliance Official and includes your statement regarding your position with respect to the provisions outlined in this letter. To the extent that you have any questions or suggestions regarding the Co”
“sently exists is worded. 8 9 10 11 1 2 13 14 15 16 be able to present to the committee, at the ne xt session, a sort of preamble to the resolution stating what I s ubmit would be the appropriate basis for this investigation, so that if and when the ma tt er of the constitutionali”
“uld like to bring to the 24 attent ion of the committee, if I may, there is a question 25. NW 66 000 Docld:32266459 Page 5 376 377 * 1 in my mind, as your chief counsel, with regard to the present σ 2 resol uti on that exists concerning the au thri ty as the base 3 for this commi”
“- 94-2-b - ■ IF we had the authority and capability to have made an objective probe.of this sensitive.activity we may have been able to have surfaced these obviously ridi culous procedures in such a manner that corrective action would have been taken. Now is the time to p”
“h *** r ! D r -: E D IN C S Senator Huddleston •ot is come to order. Mr. Aaron. The agenda today is to proceed with the DCI i 4■ I section and in addition we would like to get the Subcommittee’s : 5 if you will substantive arrroval of the paper on the production j o”
“is that the Committee 24 recommend that the CIA, by regulation, handle this matter 25 rather than make it statutory. TOP SECRET WARQ & PAUL NW 50955 DocId:32423521 Page 32”
“W: - ’ it 4% (- The question then 4: hint; ran they he provided r'ith the 0 information that they nocd to allow them to make a recruitment that the Committee may find is valuable. 1 If it is from the DCI) . it has all the problems that r ! David articulated, and I appr”
“03 EH 1V under their authorized ,- rongth p Mr. Inderfurth. Another alternative is to say should consider establishing a mannower ceiling. ' 4 Mr. Kirbow. Could I make the point that oversight 5 of any agency necessarily entails looking lat the -number of 6 people it”
“function in which he said, and this is in the • 23 same direction, the Attorney General will be required to 24 advise the President and the oversight committee if he finds 25 that these options are being taken in a manner that violates? TOP SECRET wARD & PAUL NW 50955 Do”
“Budget, and the Energy Research and Development Administration. M The following items of interest were discussed: Mr. William G. Miller, Staff Director of the Senate Select Committee (SSC), and the Committee’s Counsel, Mr. F.A.O. SF-2acm/JR # MORIE Schwarz, III, visited C”
“we support 13 the Directorat and we support the Director, we suppor one 2i another in an advisory capacity and in various ways. So, we 21 e are not an operating component. We don’t run spies. We have 6= ! NW 48331 DocId:32277210 Page 15 TOP GEODET”
“which establishes the counter intelligence committee 0) 9 and it deals with the two cidos of these activities. On the nt. one hand it’s going to rovis nocaram for positive foreign intelligence dollgation, al-n etino taitliym Pho in Foil States 1 21 and on the other band ”
“receiving your initial response, by December 9, that designates your Agency Compliance Official and includes your statement regarding your position with respect to the provisions outlined in this letter. To the extent that you have any questions or suggestions regarding the Co”
“nil: TOP SECRET 5 1 All right. Without objection, then, that will be. the 2 decision of the Committee.. 3 What else do you have? 4 Mr. Aaron. We have two other recommendations. 5 Senator Hart of Colorado, Mr. Chairman, could I be recorded 6 in opposition to this? I 7 T”
“and Israel. Accordingly, I request that the FBI brief the Committee staff on any unauthorized transfer of technology and equipment from the United States by the Egyptians and by the Israelis. For Faro the latter, we are particularly interested in any role played in these t”