“M *S *MeE 36 ! this recommendation as 1, not simply in the context of the 0 President’s own proposals and own measures that he has taken but in terms of the measures which we propose be taken in statute. which of course the oversight committee or whatever responsible 5 ”
“egislation. I would like, because of the specia l ex pe rti se of thi s w itn ess , if co uns el wil l withhold for just a moment, say a word or two about the process that we are engaged in. First, we commend you for your long years of service I to a very, very important agency o”
“receiving your initial response, by December 9, that designates your Agency Compliance Official and includes your statement regarding your position with respect to the provisions outlined in this letter. To the extent that you have any questions or suggestions regarding the Co”
“io n stating what I submit would be the appropriate basis for th is i nve sti gat ion , s o t hat if and when the matter of the constitutionality arises, we 17 are properly and fully bottomed. But I would not do that unless 18. given such direction by the committee. 19 ດ Frankly,”
“strictly political matters. We believe that, at a minimum, when CIA is asked for a memorandum that inquiries should be made of SKORET - 27 -”
“the intelligence 21 community to help him in the task of establishing these requiremen Now this is, an increase in .his authority from his current posture. He has feyt.o the authority to issue didance 20 in the preparation of rociremonts but he can’t really say do Ithis”
“on that sub ward secrecy—I'll do the best I can agreement. We are ourselves culpable in some ways for not giving people Let Da ject. We will not submit administration not ever to make a mistake. And I’m 1 legislation because the Congress has already moved substantially for”
“receiving your initial response, by December 9, that designates your Agency Compliance Official and includes your statement regarding your position with respect to the provisions outlined in this letter. To the extent that you have any questions or suggestions regarding the Co”
“classified to outside, non-governmental review. It is against this background that, in response to the committee's request, I cite our few technical reservations about the mechanism established by the joint resolution to achieve this same result. I intend to address only Inte”
“exception, I would have told you up until the beginning of this current public discussion, that 24 was the way it went, and that nothing went outside it, and 25 that the Agency and the Defense Intelligence Agencies, with TOP SECRET HW 50955 DocId:32123106 Page 2.”
“frequency it but also will let the American people to do to help victims of political repres of those reports and the, complexity know about it. sion in these countries? of them., I might say this. This is a very serious A. I think without my trying to take We will complete t”
“and onints-out that he should prepare this 0O budget, present it to the President and to the Congress who would make some referone born to the language in the President s Pnmttn Andor ith Ir ’' OF It makes tho pint that the dofinition of the 107 SECRET ‘‘/* nPVL NW 50”
“IMF SEUKE I 16 1 The Chairman. Which part do you have? 2 Senator Tower. Well, not being able to use American 5 students abroad on some grant, to gather intelligence, when 4 most of the people the damned Soviets send over here on these 5 cultural exchanges are really clu”
“0 0 3 I am glad to. 20 Mr. Baron. There may be one way you can help right now. 21 I know that before we. started today Bill Miller, the Staff 22 Director of the Committee, indicated that the Committee would 23 be interested in hearing you out at great length on policy ”
“0f . NCR ha § 5 Senator Huddleston. Tthink it’s probably material to also to have a firmer granr when, we start discussing- and defending the report maybe, even to the extent of having specific figures. I think it's highly unlikely that they will let that stay 5 in ther”
“TOP SECRET 27 1' arrangement we had previously, that is to say, that none of 2 this is final, and certainly not until we hear the comments a of the Agency. 4 Is that still observed? 5 The Chairman. Yes, that is still the situation. Nothing 6 becomes final until the fi”
“5*H5* i / Mr. Davis. Ho’s os-horizgl. He doesn’t have to. Mr. Kirbow. He’s authorized to have a staff under the President’s executive order or in any other normal course of business. 5 i This appears to be dipring down below the kind of - 6 statutory authority positi”
“TOP SECRET 17 1 Qf the idea that academics be off limits, period, and students 2 in order to protect the integrity of our entire academic 3 community, and it is the realization that if we continued to 4 close the possibilities 1 for recruitment, and the adverse 5 effect”
“Senate, and they will seize on it because today 22 they don't do it for anybody else but the Appropriations 23 Committee. 24 Senator Huddleston. I think that's reasonable^ enough. 25 It ought to be clear. TA0 PADRT HW 50955 DocId:32423513 Page 66”
“clear that what we don't 22 want, to do, which is to abort our honest to goodness cultural.’ 23 exchange and other programs. 24 The Chairman. This could be done by saying "By statute 25 the CIA .should.be prohibited from using operationally grantees TOP SECRET WARD & P”
“of human rights. The Hel Ms now on deregulation. .4 - -- ____ - -And -44% the afirst ves** 0 ber of people who have access to the, sinki Agreement, r tolid Resket.. question is nuection the deregulation f« the Aas—>•*>—- of the air 41- -*- sources of information that 'wit”
“4 * -P •. : Frograms of the CIA and ■ T that are conducted inside the SiUnited States both from the standpoint of their legality. Now I think it’s possible to consolidate those recommend- tions so that we don’t say it twice, and I also think it's possible to take out an”
“e. Intelligence information often looks sensitive to the layman or generalist when the expert will tell you it is innocuous. And conversely, what seems innocuous to the layman can be quite sensitive. Our job is to help you distinguish the one from the other. f. we rely on you to”
“W' O Senator Huddleston. Could we solve it by just having a o1 narrative statement at the and of all of these recommendations relating to the DCI to say that the foregoing, preceding 1 recommendations would, if carried out, substantially strengthen 5 the role of the DCI”
“***** Iconcern that it not iliete that we had found seme evidence 2 that we had just not revealed. e Mr. Bader. Perhans it would be helpful. Senator, but nt the same time the Administration has come forward with 5 Language of all political assassinations, which seems to ”
“f his bona fides and the sensitive information received from him should not be exposed to publicity. 3. Representative Devine is clearly supportive. He stated that he is opposed to "spreading defamation" of Government agencies. He had opposed creation of the Committee 22299 NW 65”
“to them will go ahead with the B-1. ■ 0 be the elements that will cause them to make those sacrifices. At the same But I can’t answer that question until 1 . The New York Times/Teresa Zabala I complete my own study, and I think time, I want to increase the surety that cutive”
“W-”• o*P•% 85 ; for this paragraph, that Be review and that he advise the President and the committee if in his opinion any of these practices violate the Co istitutional rights of American citizens ■ *.! or any other laws. 5 Mr. Kirbow. 1 I would fee I. much better abou”
“where we / 2.1 maybe have it pretty well covered until we get some opportunity 22 to see, how this new set-up is going to work, whether we’re 23 going to have the kind of abuses we had before. Maybe we-don’t 24 need each of these details of Congress going down into the ”
“you refuse standing. "voluntary." And to the extent that to’ give them any idea of wait you A reassessment of priorities of the I can arrive at a common understand have discovered during this review evolution of new weapons which in the ing with industry and labor leaders th”
“22 from this in the promulgation of a specific directive. 97 That’s slightly out, of synch with- the order of some of - 24 the other recommendations. The Committee might want to choose 9 to drop - that -to a footnote or to do it in some other way. .. TOP SECRET WAR ft PA”
“q‘1 70 g A, KM SECRET 70 Then the question arose about the deadline on the 15th fl and the-Chairman is going to ask that this deadline be set aside because of the problems of not being able to finish 4 security and those other matters. 5 So he is taking steps to do that ”
“grant to start with, while we are 19 likely to. get an education, it is also likely if we can we 20 will have you gather intelligence, for. us. 21 Senator Morgan. Well, Dee, I think you are getting off 22 base for us. There is nothing that says they are required to 23 d”
“oversight committee 21 should pursue this Question further would be sufficient. r 22 Senator Huddleston. Well, paragraph 22 over on 39. 23 if applied to the FRD, would be a pretty good approach, I think. Mr. Aaron. That would not necessarily rule out it 24 25 would no”
“is that the Committee 24 recommend that the CIA, by regulation, handle this matter 25 rather than make it statutory. TOP SECRET WARQ & PAUL NW 50955 DocId:32423521 Page 32”
“cutive session, and you may request that the Committee convene such a session to hear your response. If the Committee were to insist upon your testimony at this point, you are entitled to request that the Committee grant you an opportunity to confer with the Director of Central I”
“policy. If we want to keep the 23 CIA out of U.S. media both at home and abroad, and we want 24 to extend, that to stringers as well, then I think it ought 25 to. be done by statute rather than just a recommendation by TOP SECRET WARD a PAUL HW 50955 DocId: 32423521 Page”
“function in which he said, and this is in the • 23 same direction, the Attorney General will be required to 24 advise the President and the oversight committee if he finds 25 that these options are being taken in a manner that violates? TOP SECRET wARD & PAUL NW 50955 Do”
“TOP SECRET 15 1 Senator Schweiker.; 'Can we talk about Defense and military 2 training programs at the same time? It seems to me that's 3 the criteria, bringing a guy over here and educating him on 4 defense and military must be, to the advantage of our military, . 5 so”
“when approached, and if we have already written 21 into law a prohibition that relates to the Fulbright scholars, 22 I should think it ought to apply to any others that are 23 receiving educational or'cultural grants from the United 24 States. 25 TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL”
“imperative 19 that the Committee complete its investigation on the issue of 20 the assassination of foreign government leaders before the 21 recess and issue its report. That puts us under great pressure. 22 but if we don't do it, I am going to ask the Committee to stay ”
“- S’ r 1 Now the next paragraph C Mr. Kirbow. Could *‘8 take these one at a time because these are rather critical? 1 Mr. Chairman, one of the things that came before this r; Committee when I guess it was Hr. Colby testifying and at each 6 meeting that Mr. Miller and ”
“TOP SECRET 38 1 that we discussed and the staff- was asked to rewrite went to 2 the question of any changes or waivers of Agency directives 3 or recommendations, and as considered by the Committee 4 yesterday. The agreement was —- and if that proposal is 5 one of the ”
“145 7) 33 , Amro PS j il 04/Al p.) 1a A da 4 TOP SECRET SENSITIVE 3. There are disadvantages to the program proposed by 1 the study. The approval for implementation of such a 2 concept would introduce a new dimension into cold war methods and would require a major change”
“rules, which you sent to C the then Director, Vice Admiral William F. Raborn, Jr., the compe-4 ytent work of our respective representatives did, in fact, produce an• a • % effective and realistic agreement. I welcome your statement that no 1major problems have been encounte”
“uld like to bring to the 24 attent ion of the committee, if I may, there is a question 25. NW 66 000 Docld:32266459 Page 5 376 377 * 1 in my mind, as your chief counsel, with regard to the present σ 2 resol uti on that exists concerning the au thri ty as the base 3 for this commi”
“#* **-N6DA 1U In this specific situation, for example, we’ve already 2 not the Attorney General being involved with the oversight responsibilities. When he takes office he already has the ,1 obligation to see that all the laws and activities of agencies 5 are carried out”
“questions. . cies in our Government to make sure by those who disagree with us political- Mr. Frank Cormier, that they are meeting these standards. ly. *nee : Questions and Answers So I think that we all ought to take TM 1. Defense Budget 3. Correcting Errors on C.I.A. a posit”
“0. *tee %K# * 29 :of great interest to tho omquutty, and vou take him out of the position of having to judin other people's research and development programs and other people’s SIGINY programs, and •1 other activities when he is the overall director of Central 5 Intelli”
“That would be th... in rossson that would think that you would move the DCI nra, from that. Senator Mathias. But it does not appear to me that you • exonerate vour national intelligence officer, whatever you Bicall him, just .because, you have someone else you can also po”