“TOP SECRET. Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 29 126 1 and this is what they feared all along, and the whole intelli 2 gence apparatus would be gravely -weakened and the men in the 3 field would be jeopardized by investigation of this kind. 4 ■We take that chance with this kind of”
“Commission report. 29 Now as the first recommendation, I think that we have 23 agreed at the staff level to take out - the brackets and put a . 24 footnote which would, make it clear that while the primary 25 mission- of the CIA would be to collect denied, or protected fo”
“:A: fir. Aaron. I jure think st in drantine the charter n ; r 9 actually you can just say rott recommend by statute or you could say that the Committee recommends that it be removed or moved back - and- you can leave it to the PCI. to do it. 5 Senator Huddleston. lust”
“h *** r ! D r -: E D IN C S Senator Huddleston •ot is come to order. Mr. Aaron. The agenda today is to proceed with the DCI i 4■ I section and in addition we would like to get the Subcommittee’s : 5 if you will substantive arrroval of the paper on the production j o”
“wasn’t clear whether the 21 counter-intelligence committee was the appropriate one. 22 Mr. Aaron. Well, on that point, the purpose of setting 9’7 *-0 up the counter-intelligence -committee is essentially to look .24 at the domestic impact of our intelligence activities,”
“$ ........ 4 a • .8 Mr. filler. Tha’:! "rilif;"x he hasn’t heard the recommendations that thir be dona by others. It’s just an Liea to be considered. ■1 -Mr. Kirhow: He’s read it I reserve on this. 5 Mr. diGenova I‘r not gure that’s Mr. Inderfurth. Well, the military ”
“policy. If we want to keep the 23 CIA out of U.S. media both at home and abroad, and we want 24 to extend, that to stringers as well, then I think it ought 25 to. be done by statute rather than just a recommendation by TOP SECRET WARD a PAUL HW 50955 DocId: 32423521 Page”
“out there. The four that are hot are the Congress Lor %5 oversight and the CIA budget paper, although the budget section TOP SECRET VARD 2 PAUL NW 50955 DocId:32423509 Page 70”
“CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORT TO CIA AND NSA% HOLLINGSWORTH TOLD THE CONGRESSMAN THAT HE NEEDED MORE Tactical Intelligence AND HE NEEDED IT IN A TIMELY FASHION, WHICH WAS EXACTLY WHAT HE HAD RECENTLY TOLD SECRETARY SECRET”
“TOP SECRET 44 1 Now, the obvious public relations value of Mr. Welch's i. . 2 death, the .first time in history the DDO and the DCI go to . 3 a funeral in public, they never did that, and there is no doubt 4 that they tried to make political hay out of his death. I 5 thi”
“have a vote. Let's go back 20 to 46, and I take it that the' recommendation is that this 21 prohibition that the CIA .has imposed upon itself ought to 22 be written in statutory form. 23 Mr. Bader. That is the recommendation. 24 The Chairman. All right. Let's have a vot”
“THE PERTINENT OBSERVATION THAT IT WAS A QUESTION FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE. IF IT WAS DECIDED TO SUBORDINATE CLAN- DESTINE ITELLIGENCE OPERATIONS IN THE FIELD DIRECTLY TO THE "APPROPRIATE : GEMENT COULD AND WOULD BE MADE. THE 93 I PRESSION BY MR. AARON THAT. AT LEA St ”
“st r . *1*.**:n the Senators. I’m sure 1-1- knorlthat the big fight in the House last vear was to avoid the excruciating details on budget figures and I think wo had kind of discussed perhaps ' publishing 3 or A major Fenturen I’d like to point out that in - this par”
“with the CIA as it sees fit on an individual agency basis. His motion carried and the Council proceeded to other business. SECRET”
“.long for this commit too -orrimend to another comid tree that 9 maybe they ought to do metbin but I guess it’s all right. Mr. Aaron. I’m a raid we do that quite a bit. a + Mr. Miller. We’re just laving out the agenda. r. Mr. Kirbow. Which is not binding on them. Mr.”
“#* h* PRE 1ali‘‘ 33 ‘gravity that that gave ‘ifm then he would be a disembodied 47. snirit. But we’re talking about a somewhat different situation now where he' has real authority over the budget. .■1 Mr. Kirbow. But also presupposes. Mr. Chairman, that you 5 have dec”
“11:30-12:00 Mr. Thomas Hughes, Deputy j Director, Intelligence and 73/36%/V0 Research, Department of Stat e. 12:00-1:00 Lt. General Joseph Carroll, Director, DIA CONFIDENT AI, ".v z“tat.• •”
“oper telligence task force;. John El- closed, 212-hour meeting that ations, noth foreign and do liff, head of the domestic in ’he had been authorized to mestic. '■ telligence task force; Alton H. write another letter to Pres The Idaho senator said the Quanbeck, head of the ”
“is that the Committee 24 recommend that the CIA, by regulation, handle this matter 25 rather than make it statutory. TOP SECRET WARQ & PAUL NW 50955 DocId:32423521 Page 32”
“of CIA proprietaries. I mean, we are 20 trying to bring them out and see what the impact is on the 21 budget,, where do they, fit in. 22 Senator Huddleston. Can they do that, though, without 23 identifying the proprietary and where .it is located and whatever 24 Mr. diG”
“by using our own computer systems, no matter where 21 it is, do we help them? 22 And in this regard I would note that in 1970 the Inspector 23 General’s report on the question of cover noted that the fact 24 that credit bureaus in this country were amassing so much 25 i”
“2609 42i (X 1 TOP SECRET J W ■ Phone (Area 282) 544-6000 63 ' 1 posed a major threat to maintain cover, both in the United N S 2 States and abroad for CIA agents. 3 Now the question I raise is are we cutting off our nose 4 to spite our face by using computers t”
“Mr. diGenova. Aren’t rou talking about the consolidation? Mr. Aaron. No, we’re talking about the paragraph that just precedes it. I’m sorry, this is the bracketed portion... 3]I’ll read it out. "The CIA should receive USC approva I of all counter- intelligence activitie”
“frequency it but also will let the American people to do to help victims of political repres of those reports and the, complexity know about it. sion in these countries? of them., I might say this. This is a very serious A. I think without my trying to take We will complete t”
“51 TOP SECRET 51 1 and saying we examined proprietaries, we found them to be — 2 they had problems but basically they were all right. 5 Mr. Inderfurth. Couldn't that be in the body as well? 4 Mr. Kirbow. .The one thing we have failed to do on this 5 Committee'is where w”
“Schwarz admitted, however, that some type of arrangement- would have to be made to insure that the Intelligence Community had some protection against unauthorized disclosures by staff j members of the SSC. _ / Enclosures WOC:ebe, CONTINUED - OVER (7) 202 1 ENCLOSURE 42 1”
“Sdoxes Gil TOP SECRET 109 -6000 12 Phone (Area 202) 1 They have fgivemussa good many documents, doThey nets. 2 have not given us the documents on the controversial matters. 3 They’ve given us plenty of documentation on less controversial 4 matters. 5 The Chairman. I t”
“TOP SECRET 16 1 talking ■i about less than 25 people, where you are going to make 2 a statutory prohibition against use of all people in that 3 category because on page 61 it says, "of the 65 Americans 4 employed by the CIA in the media field, only a little over 5 one”
“4 * -P •. : Frograms of the CIA and ■ T that are conducted inside the SiUnited States both from the standpoint of their legality. Now I think it’s possible to consolidate those recommend- tions so that we don’t say it twice, and I also think it's possible to take out an”
“iemployees? Mr. Kirbow. Well if r could tell vou what my position on it is, in speaking, to. Both Bloomfield last night I specificall 1 iasked her -well, she savs that's to.give them something out • F there to take out so that we’ll have enough left in here that 6 would”
“not be precluded and would still 22 exist. 93 Now it goes on to state that in doing this we would also 24 recommend authorizing the 'CIA' to carry out the recruitment of agents within the United States for this purpose. And it goes i 25 TOP SECRET ARD & FAUL NW 50955”
“be the recipient of all intelligence flowing ‘9 into our overall national intelligence effort, and that 23 intelligence includes overt intelligence as collected from 24 the Treasury Department from Commerce from Labor attaches. 05 abroad, the full scone of information col”
“distribution within the United 20 States or its territories of any book, magazine, article, 21 publication, film, or video or audio tape unless attributed 22 ■ to. the CIA. 23 Wouldn't that take! care of it? .24 Mr. Aaron. If that is what the Committee intends, that 25”
“a.4 5RAW: 11 associated with it? o That is somewhat separate but relevant. Mr. Kirbow. Mr. Chairman, apparently they're not talking 4| about doing it with any fewer people or any different neople. F, but you're talking about calling it something else. 6 In discussing”
“rel 4 *#:itV* bl it doesn’t Senator Mathias. I think on page 36 and 39 it ought to refer to domestic operations. A ; Mr. Kirbow. I think we might want to consider too that 5 there’s an extensive section of the domestic activities of the 6 CIA coming into the domestic t”
“TOP SECRET 8 . 1. Mr. Kirbow. Well, perhaps I misunderstand the extension 2 that you, your full recommendation. 5 Do you want to go beyond where the administration is in 4 their position? 5 Mr. Bader. I am recommending to go beyond where the '6 Administration is at th”
“Ivr ootm GoMo. Ea L 21 1 Senator Tower. That is not a law, that is a regulation. 2 Mr. Aaron. And CIA's own regulation. o The Chairman. But then it was adopted as part of the law, 4 I thought you said. 5 Mr. Bader. No, sir. I said it has been made public 6 through the”
“strictly political matters. We believe that, at a minimum, when CIA is asked for a memorandum that inquiries should be made of SKORET - 27 -”
“9/1, 16 Mr. laxwell. Fliese/roreetiel frill narairapb on 33 the way it reads, it assumes that the Director the Central Intelligence agency who is outside the clandestine service is not able to 4 ensure Mr. Aaron. I understand. You’re right. Okay, if these are agreed t”
“TOP SECRET 76 1 others, recommended very strongly that there be more unofficial 2 cover.. 3 I think the Agency has been under considerable pressure 4 throughout its existence to do that, and as Joe pointed out 5 there are certain limits to what it has been able to do. 6 ”
“exception, I would have told you up until the beginning of this current public discussion, that 24 was the way it went, and that nothing went outside it, and 25 that the Agency and the Defense Intelligence Agencies, with TOP SECRET HW 50955 DocId:32123106 Page 2.”
“W-”• o*P•% 85 ; for this paragraph, that Be review and that he advise the President and the committee if in his opinion any of these practices violate the Co istitutional rights of American citizens ■ *.! or any other laws. 5 Mr. Kirbow. 1 I would fee I. much better abou”
“0 0 3 I am glad to. 20 Mr. Baron. There may be one way you can help right now. 21 I know that before we. started today Bill Miller, the Staff 22 Director of the Committee, indicated that the Committee would 23 be interested in hearing you out at great length on policy ”
“@r.*G RH 125 outethe agoncies indivitollv: Leave ttt the FBI and the CIA. 2 Mr. Miller. I think naming them is a good idea. Senator Huddleston. Tguess this gets into the domestic 4' task force also. - R Mr-. Aaron. Yes. The Committee will want to look at that. 6 Now ”
“TOP SECRET , 110 Phone (Ar»a 202) $44-6000 13 1 me say, since my opinion has been asked, that I had a most 2 discouraging- talk with the Attorney General a couple of weeks 5 ago. I went down to talk to him about privacy legislation and 4 the Department of Justice at ”
“but the truth, so help you God? 7 8 Mr. Breckin ri dge. I do. 9 Chairman Church. Mr. Schwarz will c ommence the questionin 10 this morning . 11 12 Mr. Schwarz. Mr. Colby , did you have some th ings you want ed to supply to the Committee? 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Photoc”
“than 80 people, 0 and this comes to, Senator, if I can just point to one of the to most important things in the legislation or in whatever the 02 Executive does, is that you cannot have in my view a Director W 0 if the FBI and a Director f CIA who are independent f o”
“F irs t S tre e t, S.E., W ashington, D .C . 20003 Senator Hart of Michigan. But what is not clear-cut to 19 me is how we report to our peers. 20 The Chairman. We will take that up. 21 Senator Schweiker. We discussed that at one meeting. We 22 had a little informal meet”
“14 2 v. wNa6 IT6 - . 14 iso far would have legislative authority over. So we’re really just recommending here that in this statute they provide the framework under which these kinds of reprogramming can be a done in view of the fact that we are extending the DCI from hisi”
“- S’ r 1 Now the next paragraph C Mr. Kirbow. Could *‘8 take these one at a time because these are rather critical? 1 Mr. Chairman, one of the things that came before this r; Committee when I guess it was Hr. Colby testifying and at each 6 meeting that Mr. Miller and ”