“Goldsmith. I would not want you to go back to the 24 i Agency and say that the- staff of this Committee attempted to : 25 compel an answer out of you. NW 50955 DocId: 32277214 Page 18 SECRET ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY”
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“Goldsmith. I would not want you to go back to the 24 i Agency and say that the- staff of this Committee attempted to : 25 compel an answer out of you. NW 50955 DocId: 32277214 Page 18 SECRET ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY”
“ncipal witness, an d we will call on other s as questioning 15 14 might require, and I would dir ect each of you when you do respond, to identify yourselves, please , f or the record. 16 I think that we will spen d j ust a f ew mor e m inu tes to al low 17 th e members of the Com”
“on matters of this kind. 22: Mr. Dawson. Who else other than the DDP or DCI would have such authority? iS ite rs O lr 24 Mr. Tweedy. I don't know. 25 TOP SECRET”
“wasningtet, n & it would be because it never occurred me that the Chief o: Station would act in any ther wav. That is it. Mr. Dawson. f course, Mr. Hedgeman also testified that 45 *0 5,4 it never would have occured 0 him have carried this ut 1 :: without having check”
“Regarding these events? 23 Mr. Bundy. Yes. Mr. Smothers. Have you spoken with Mr. Gilpatric? Mr. Bundy, NO, I don't think I have. 25 TOP SECRET W 50955 Dot”
“ARRB member had questions (minor per Bob) on 5 of the documents. In addition, there are two documents from the original 10 that we have a disagreement on. I need to get these document to Lee and lawyers tomorrow (Friday) so that I can address on Monday. CC: Sent on 16 April ”
“and and you want to ask me, don't hesitate to call me. Should I come alone or do you want me to brin g somebody with me? Whatever your pleasure. I see. R: DCI: R: It makes no difference as far as the Commission... DCI: R: DCI: R: I'll tell you what I'll do. I will bring with me t”
“I: R: It makes no difference as far as the Commission... DCI: R: DCI: R: I'll tell you what I'll do. I will bring with me the man that's been principally involved in answering any questions that you've had. I know you've had some. And if something occurs to you why we'll just let”
“allegations and charges with a good deal of finality, there would be quite a feeling that the report itself was a whitewash and that the real facts had not been developed. R: Well, we had in mind to take every poi nt tha t he raised, and Mark Lane and e very other person that's c”
“representation for you? 21 Mr. Osborn. I wish they were paying him, but they are not. 22 I am. 23 Mr. Wallach. I will ask Mr. Rhea to begin his segment of 24 the examination. 25 NW 50955 DocId: 32281990 Page 2 TOP SECRET”
“Fitzgerald? 24. i! A I simply overheard it, that is right. 25 Q And who were the parties to the conversation you over- NW 50955 DocId:32203851 Page 12 SECRET”
“(Reaction) 23. Did you give us any kind of information about OSWALD? Answer: Yes. (No reaction) . *! *Before the beginning of the examination, the polygraph operator”
“INVESTIGATION, WHETTOR YOU WERE DEECTLY INVOLVED OR NOT, WHICH MIGHT REQUIRE EXPLANATION? I SO, DESCREIK , NOT, AN- SWER “NO.” No”
“irst S tre e t, S .E ., W ashington, O.C. 20QC3 ; tion could be 20 Mr . Bundy. I have no recollection on that. 21 Mr. Schwarz. But someone was? 22 Mr . Bundy. I have no recollection on that. 23 Mr. Schwarz. You have no recollection of any position 24 being taken pro o”
“believe it. w 22 I Mr. Goldsmith. How about an agent, asset or source of 23 3 the CIA? A12 49 i Mr. Shaw. I would think that, that would be completely 25out of the question. SECRET ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY NW 50955 DocId:32277214 Page 71”
“63, right. -9i Mr. Goldsmith. Is it fair to say that this conversation 25 took place sometime around 4:26 in the afternoon, according to CFCRET — ssd AAA3 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY NW 50955 DocId: 32277214 Page 68”
“them and you fellows say no, we haven't heard anything - you know.) [Well yodtreel in your own mind that this is something that will come about in the very near future, this attempt?] No, I would have to say 1 have a feeling now the attempt will not come about an if enoug”
“your very close association with this investigation, I venture to ask this question—do you, from your knowledge of the investigation find—was there any evidence in 27”
“turn over SRRIFLE to him and 20 did you tell him about it? 21 Mr. Bissell. I believe I did. And I also believe 22 that Mr. Harvey told him about it promptly after the turnover. 23 Mr. Schwarz. Do you know a man called Justin O’Donnell? 24 Mr. Bissell. Yes, I do. 25 T”
“town, but obviously we furnished no information; that there was some indication from the source that had been helping Grunewald and might be in contact with McInerney. _I told him he was at liberty to Ido so. I told him I would check for the reason why G-2 wanted the inf”
“But at that point you did brief him?m? 24 Mr. Bissell. I don't remember whether I personally 25 TOP SECRET NW 50955 DocId: 32203786 Page 10”
“I do not know. 23. Mr. Goldsmith. Who brought in the take from these opera- 41 tions to the. station? 25 8 Mr.. Shaw. I do not know that either, but it was my CFPDST NW 50955 DocId:32277214 Page 24 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY”
“ng Chalmers usually indulges in. No, it was entirely foreign to his to areas that are normal to him. The thing that I didn't like about it, he rather intimated that this came from some source within the Commission. I didn't read that into it. But you would be more alert to that t”
“report before we go on recess. I think that 20 disposes too readily of the problem that is going to confront 21 us in a very few weeks, and that is having heard all of this, 22 now what do we do? I don't think we have decided yet how we 23 are going to present, once we op”
“that they were, but I just wanted to be sure from you that you felt so. @ H: DCI: H: DCI: H: DCI: H: We have had the very best support that we could possibly expect from you. Good. Well you can call on us for anything we have. We will feel free to do that I think it is an exceedi”
“seeking your authority or 21 the authority of the White House? 22 7 • Mr. Bundy.I think they were testing my reaction, as © I now look back on it. But I do not recall that they were 24 seeking authority. If it had come to me as a matter of White 25 TOP SECRET 213 ”
“away on a trip. 22 Mr. Wides. But your understanding was 'it involved 23 personnel? 24 Mr. Sarno. This individual was involved in it. 25 Mr. Wides. And what did you understand had been the HW 50955 DocId: 32202440 Page 43 TOP SECRET”
“you and Mr. Rostow discuss the fact “rukke 23 that both you and Mr. Rostow had been named as potential 24 sources for the Exective Action authorization? 25 Mr. Bundy. My emphasis in talking about Mr. Rostow was TOP SECRET HW 5095”
“doubted — 19 Mr. Tweedy. My recollection doesn’t go anywhere near that far. eve **+**, % 1 .»afin Mr. Dawson. He checked that authority by immediately 22 cabling back to headquarters saying,this guy has made himself 0 available to me as well as he has delivered someth”
“ld have been either. DCI: Could have been either and sometimes those fellows shift from one newspape r to the other. NW 65990 Docld:32403740 Page 7 W: DCI: W: DCI: This is n not the kind of thing Chalmers usually indulges in. No, it was entire ly foreign to his to areas that are ”
“TV and on radio, both in Britain and on the continent. And he has got a book coming out on the 8th. And he has got a book coming out and she feels that essential in your report that you dispose of his allegations or indicate the errors on which he draws his conclusions. She feels”
“Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty? A Oh, yes. 410 F 25 Q Was anything of that nature done in connection with 1 NW 50955 DocId:32203851 Page 32 MM mem “ye,”
“ilding, it's the Veteran's Foreign War Building on the fourth floor. It's a white marble building... I'll find it. If you have any questions about anything that occurred to you beforehand and you want to ask me, don't hesitate to call me. Should I come alone or do you want me to ”
“intentions regarding the information he was seeking as, in the Agency’s view, clearly there is no connection between the Agency’s association with Messrs. Darker and Martinen and the subject case. Mr. Schults-explained that he, as the lawyer repre- senting them, foule obligat”
“I have tried 19 20 quite carefully to tell, you my recollection. Mr. Smothers. We are merely trying now to establish 21 22 those relationships so that when we get the point in the 0 ‘7 do record there is some question regarding the nature of the recollection that mi”
“I got a call last night from one of the editors of Harper's 21 magazine in Europe relaying to me that Bernard Barker wanted to 22 talk to me, and he thinks about the Butterfield situation, and 23 I intended to call him, but I wanted you to know that. 24- The Chairman. Tha”
“t quite steamed up about things. We have taken closer to 400 than 300 witnesses' testimony and we ha ve tak en it deliberately so tha t nob ody can s ay that we have just been rubber stamped for the Secret Servic e or the FBI or anybody else. Well, I told her in great detail at d”
“and -3 his neighbors and associates, and not say anything about periodic, physical surveillance? AYM Mr. Nosenko. Sir, I cannot tell you what I stated. I was OF DorAD NWT 50955 DocId:32277209 Page 25 LUN i”
“4 63 w n $44-4000 1 Mr. Tweedy. Yes. 2 Phone (Area (The document referred to was marked Tweedy 4 Exhibit No. 12 for 5 identification.) 6 7 8 9 10 i w a n o • PAIL 14: 1: 10 7ii 1R 2000 11 t+l wasties* . lilt TOP SECRET”
“lows shift from one newspaper to the other. NW 65990 Docld:32403740 Page 7 W: DCI: W: DCI: This is n not the kind of thing Chalmers usually indulges in. No, it was entirely foreign to his to areas that are normal to him. The thing that I didn't like about it, he rather intimated ”
“the things I have 23 seen attributed to him in recent weeks. 24 Mr. Smothers. Well, let me put it this way. Would you 25 believe General Lansdale under oath? TOP SECRET”
“cautioned.. You know them as well as I do. Well, as far as our rules are concerned, it wouldn't make any difference if Trafficante was here. It wouldn't make any difference in our ability to confirm or deny that 1 3 NW 50955 DocId: 32423630 Page 91”
“find a way where we can counteract any such thing beca use that paraded over Europe an d aro und th e world is a terrible thing. Do yo u kno w anything ab out t his so-called Inquirer? 2 DCI: No. NW 65990 Docld:32403740 Ragets either. I tell you how I saw it. My driver bought it.”
“this; 22” type of thing. Covert action. Q This is the list of things you gave me earlier in 24 the deposition? E 410 25 23 A Yes. NW 50955 32203851 Page 57”
“arrangement that we made before we began, and correct me if this 23 is not your understanding of the arrangement, that we are 24 testifying here today without placing you under oath because 25 TOP SECRET HW”
“20003 19 simply represented to his subordinate that he was doing so on 20 instructions from the White House? 21 Mr. Bundy. I think there is a prior question, Mr. 22 Chairman, which is the credibility of the witness from whom he is taking this recollection. 24 The Chai”
“screened written questions. He said the FBI invoked "executive privilege" on the grounds federal age nts are n't supposed to testify in state tr”
“But I don't believe it. I don't believe it ever happened 0 To answer your question, I suppose if anybody got a personal private instruction from the DCI, and was instructed Clr 25 TOP SECRET”
“191 It was not presented to him in the way that the Agency 20 wanted him to do it. 21 The Chairman. How valuable do you think this information 22 is to the Committee? I’ll tell you my concern. My concern is 23 I the one thing I have feared more than anything else, . in th”
“to the Assistant Attorney General, 22 Criminal Division, who ever it was.\ 23 They said to the, effect, thank you, that is There 24 is nothing we can do. 25 Mr. Wides. Was there any discussion of the possibility HW 50955 DocId:32202415 Page 4 TOP SECRET”