“INTERVIEW AID MEETING SUMMARY SECRET INTERVIEW WITH: Sam Papich AU INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED EXCEPT REGARDING: WHERE SHOWN OTHERWISE. A DATE-TIME-LOCATION: May 29,1975; 9 a.m.; Carroll Arms PRESET: morning: John ELLIFF, Mike Epstein, John Bayly aftern”
“INTERVIEW AND MEETING SUMMARY Page____ 15 08 21 FILE: SECRET wanted to know the identity of the FBI agent who gave the information. The CIA officer refused and there was a bitter clash, (Things like this had happened in the past. FBI field agents had contacted Papich and ”
“uding, but not limited to, all memoranda and other materia ls written by former Special Age nt Sam P apich. Pursuant to these requests there are enclosed copies of 19 FEI communications. In addition to the documents being furnished, there Dep. AD Adm. are a number of internal mem”
“Item number 9 requested all memoranda and other materials reflecting conversations or communication s, during 1970, between Agents of the FBI and the FBI Director on the subject of liaison or contact between personnel of the FBI and personnel of the CIA, including, but not limite”
“her materials reflecting conversations or communications, during 1970, between Agents of the FBI and the FBI Director on the subject of liaison or contact between personnel of the FBI and personnel of the CIA, including, but not limited to, all memoranda and other materials writt”
“INTERVIEW AND MEETING SUMMARY Page __ 10 21of stresses that this is a problem. What is the dif- FILE: SECRET ference between "internal security" and "counter- intelligence" and "positive intelligence"? FBI would use these distinctions as an excuse not to notify. CIA. Reg”
“TION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 1-3-01 BY SP-2ALM/ LIAISON WITH IMMIGRATION AND NAT UR AL IZATION SERVICE (INS) Liaison with INS has been handled for the past several years by SA Sam Papich, who also handles liaison with the Central Intelligence Agency. (CIA). The purp”
“eneral instructions concerning liaison with other agencies, including CIA, are set forth in Se ction 102 of the Mammal of Instructions, a copy of which has been furnished to the SSC. Item number 9 requested all memoranda and other materials reflecting conversations or communicati”
“ations, during 1970, between Agents of the FBI and the FBI Director on the subject of liaison or con tact between personnel of the FBI and personnel of the CIA, including, but not limited to, all memoranda and other materials written by former Special Agent Sam Papich. Pursuant t”
“Page, 20 of 21 10 INTERVIEW AND MEETING SUMMARY FILE: SECRET Regarding CIA Far East Division, Papich recalls proposals for developing cover in the U. S. for going overseas. Ober advised Papich of the develop ment of sources in, the U. S. to cover overseas targets. Papi”
“Director on the subject of liaison or contact between personnel of the FBI and personnel of the CIA, including, but not li mite d to, all memoranda and other materials written by former Special Agent Sam Papich. Pursuant to these requests there are enclosed copies of 19 FEI commu”
“n by former Special Agent Sam Papich. Pursuant to these requests there are enclosed copies of 19 FEI communications. In addition to the documents being furnished, there Dep. AD Adm. are a number of internal memoranda, dated March 6-9, 1970, Dep. AD Inv. Asst. Dir.: Admin. Comp. S”
“INTERVIEW AND MEETING SUMMARY Page 14 21 FILE: SECRET Hoover would agree to expand on certain issues but proposals for major new operations went to PFIAB for support. Clifford was chairman. Papich doesn't know what Hoover said to Clifford, but the answer on the proposal wa”
“ORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 1-3-01 BY SP-2ALM/ LIAISON WITH IMMIGRATION AND NATUR ALIZATION SERVICE (INS) Liaison with INS has been handled for the past several years by SA Sam Papich, who also handles liaison with the Central Intelligence Agency. (CIA). The pu”
“rector on the subject of liaison or contact between personnel of the FBI and personnel of the CIA, i ncluding, but not limited to, all memoranda and other materials written by former Special Agent Sam Papich. Pursuant to these requests there are enclosed copies of 19 FEI communic”
“the FBI and personnel of the CIA, including, but not limited to, all memoranda and other materials w ritten by forme r S pecial Agent Sam Papich. Pursuant to these requests there are enclosed copies of 19 FEI communications. In addition to the documents being furnished, there Dep”
“m. are a number of internal memoranda, dated March 6-9, 1970, Dep. AD Inv. Asst. D ir.: Admin. Comp. Syst. prepared by the Intelligence Division in response to the Sam J. -Fapich memorandum to the Director, March 5 , 197 0, which because Ext.PAoire of their sensitive nature are b”
“f the Mammal of Instructions, a copy of which has been furnished to the SSC. Item number 9 requested all memoranda and other materia ls r ef lecting conversations or communications, during 1970, between Agents of the FBI and the FBI Director on the subject of liaison or contact b”
“TE: June 22, 1961 FMDR16 ALL INFORMATION CO NTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 1-3-01 BY SP-2ALM/ L IAISON WITH IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE (INS) Liaison with INS has been handled for the past several years by SA Sam Papich, who also handles liaison with the Central I”
“re set forth in Section 102 of the Mammal of Instructions, a copy of which has been furnished to the SSC. Item number 9 requested all memoranda and other materials reflecting conversations or communications, during 1970, between Agents of the FBI and the FBI Director on the subje”
“BI and personnel of the CIA, including, but not limit ed to, all memoranda and other materials w rit ten by former Special Agent Sam Papich. Pursuant to these requests there are enclosed copies of 19 FEI communications. In additi on”
“eneral instructions concerning liaison with other agencies, including CIA, are set forth in Sect ion 102 of the Mammal of Instructions, a copy of which has been furnished to the SSC. Item number 9 requested all memoranda and other materials reflecting conversations or communicati”
“re ctor o n th e sub je ct of liaison or c ontact between personnel of the FBI and pers onnel of the CIA, including, but not limited to, all memoranda and other material s writ te n by former Spe cial Ag ent S am Papich. Pursua nt to these r equests there a re encl osed c op ies ”
“DATE: June 22, 1961 FMDR16 A LL INFORM ATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 1-3-01 BY SP-2AL M/ LIAISON WITH IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE (INS) Liaison with INS has been handled for the past several years by SA Sam Papich, who also handles liaison with the Centra”
“NS) Liaison with INS has been handled for th e past several years by SA Sam Papich, who also h andle s liaison with the Central Intelligence Agency. (CIA). The purpose of this memorandum is to recommend that SA Papich be relieved of his assignment with INS in order to devote full”
“her materials reflecting conversations or communications, during 1970, between Agents of the FBI and the FBI Direc tor on the subject of liaison or contact between personnel of the FBI and personnel of the CIA, including, but not limited to, all memoranda and other materials writ”
“on to the documents being furnished, there Dep. AD Adm. are a number of interna l memoranda, dated M arch 6-9, 1970, Dep. AD Inv. Asst. Dir.: Admin. Comp. Syst. prepared by the Intelligence Division in r esponse to the Sam J. -Fapich memorandum to the Director, March 5, 1970, whi”
“her materials reflecting conversations or communications, during 1970, between Agents of the FBI and the FBI Director on the subject of liaison or contact between personnel of the FBI and personnel of the CIA, including, but not limited to, all memoranda and other materials writt”
“SUBJECT: DATE: June 22, 1961 FMDR16 ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 1-3-0 1 BY SP-2ALM/ LIAISON WITH IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE (INS) Liaison with INS has been handled for the past several years by SA Sam Papich, who also handles liaison with the”
“970. General instructions concerning liaison with other agencies, including CIA, are set forth in Se ction 102 of the Mammal of Instructions, a copy of which has been furnished to the SSC. Item number 9 requested all memoranda and other materials reflecting conversations or commu”
“he documents bei ng fu rn ished, there Dep. AD Adm. are a nu mb er o f in te rn al mem orand a, date d March 6-9, 1970, Dep. AD Inv. Asst. Dir.: Admin. Comp. Syst. prepared by the Intelligence Division in response to the Sam J. -Fapich memorandum to the Director, March 5, 1970, w”
“Papich. Pursuant to these requests there are enclosed copies of 19 FEI communications. In additi on to the documents being furnished, there Dep. AD Adm. are a number of internal memoranda, dated March 6-9, 1970, Dep. AD Inv. Asst. Dir.: Admin. Comp. Syst. prepared by the Intellig”
“1970, Dep. AD Inv. Asst. Dir.: Admin. Comp. Syst. prepared by the Intelligence Division in resp onse to the Sam J. -Fapich memorandum to the Director, March 5, 1970, which because Ext.PAoire of their sensitive nature are being made available for review Files & Com. Com. by SSC st”
“June 22, 1961 FMDR16 ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 1-3-01 BY SP-2ALM/ LIAIS ON WITH IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZ ATION SERV IC E (INS) Liaison with INS has been handled for the past several years by SA Sam Papich, who also handles liaison with the Central Int”
“ral years by SA Sam Papich, who also handles liaison with the Central Intelligence Agency. (CIA ). T he purpose of this memorandum is to recommend that SA Papich be relieved of his assignment with INS in order to devote full time to CIA. INFORMATION RELATING TO INS CIA continues ”
“o May, 1970. General instructions concerning liaison with other agencies, including CIA, are set for th in Section 102 of the Mammal of Instructions, a copy of which has been furnished to the SSC. Item number 9 requested all memoranda and other materials reflecting conversations ”
“addition to the documents being furnished, there Dep. AD Adm. are a number of internal memoranda, da ted March 6-9, 1970, Dep. AD Inv. Asst. Dir.: Admin. Comp. Syst. prepared by the Intelligence Division in response to the Sam J. -Fapich memorandum to the Director, March 5, 1970,”
“ONTAINED, HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 1-3-01 BY SPZALM OATED STATES GOVERNAYE Memorandum : TO : Mr. Sullivan livan FROM : R. 0. L'Allier SUBJECT: DATE: June 22, 1961 FMDR16 ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 1-3-01 BY SP-2ALM/ LIAISON WITH IMMIGRATION AND NATU”
“7 *37 SECRET - 17 - Penetration of' L^bassies in the United States Papich has no knowledge of any CIA efforts to obtain positive intelli- cemc-uipenetrating gence by Forofgn obussies 1m the United States, aithough ,4754 B they did on occasion ■ attempt Go recruit Emba”
“961 FMDR16 ALL INFORMATION CO NT AINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 1 -3 -01 BY SP-2ALM/ LIAISON WITH IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE (INS) Liaison with INS has been handled for the past several years by SA Sam Papich, who also handles liaison with the Central Intelligence ”
“02 of the Mammal of Instructions, a copy of which has been furnished to the SSC. Item number 9 reque sted all memoranda and other materials reflecting conversations or communications, during 1970, between Agents of the FBI and the FBI Director on the subject of liaison or contact”
“DATE: June 22, 1961 FMDR16 ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 1-3-01 BY SP-2ALM/ LIAISON WITH IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE (INS) Liaison with INS has been handled for the past several years by SA Sam Papich, who also handles liaison with the Central I”
“n with INS has been handled for the past several years by SA Sam Papich, who also handles liaison wi th the Central Intelligence Agency. (CIA). The purpose of this memorandum is to recommend that SA Papich be relieved of his assignment with INS in order to devote full time to CIA”
“number 6. Tab D - Unexcised version of documents furnished to SSC in response to request in A pp end ix C, Part I, Item number 9. Tab E Tab F - Excised version of 38 memoranda being held at FBIHQ for review by SSC. Unexcised version of 38 memoranda being held at FBIHQ for review ”
“e Mammal of Instructions, a copy of which has been furnished to the SSC. Item number 9 r equested al l memoranda and other materials reflecting conversations or communications, during 1970, between Agents of the FBI and the FBI Director on the subject of liaison or contact betwee”
“INTERVIEW AND MEETING SUMMARY Page11 of 21 When the legal attache asks a foreign intelligence FILE: SECRET service for coverage of an FBI target, it asks for any information rather than specifying the data. This is because foreign services may be penetrated by the KGB. E”
“INTERVIEW AND MEETING SUMMARY Page __ 8 . of21 SECDET FILE:OLUMU Office of Security, although that office had an excellent relationship with FBI. Allan Dulles would not have condoned it since he had great respect for the FBI. Papich believes the same is true of McCone and ”
“MDR16 ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 1-3-01 BY SP-2ALM/ LIAISON WITH IMMIGRAT ION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE (INS) Liaison with INS has been handled for the past several years by SA Sam Papich, who also handles liaison with the Central Intelligence Agency. ”
“5994 Docld:32989616 Page 5 #mde 16 ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED DATE 1-3-01 BY S P2 ATM/G CONTENTS Tab A Response to SSC request, Appendix C, Part I, Item number 6. Tab B Response to SSC request, Appendix C, Part I, Item number 9. Tab C Unexcised version of do”
“INTERVIEW AND MEETING SUMMARY Page _ __ 6 of21 FILE: SECRET had not been eliminated in 1967 the intelligence community could have dealt with the New Left later. The CIA would have had assets to assess the issues. Such questions involved New Left travels overseas and relati”