“. 20003 1 Q . -1 • Mr. Smothers. It was given to us as an existing file, 2G or matters that had been pulled, or organized — 21I! Mr. Bundy. No, they gave me the whole file, they were 22 all documents that I have been involved with, it was nothing 23 new to me. But the”
“told me of any reaction of 22 it. 23 Mr. Smothers. Do you recall the substance of his 24 comment regarding the 1967 McCone report? 25 Mr. Bundy. No. I don’t think he commented on it. He TOP SECRET NW 50955 Docrd-”
“ashington. D .C . 20003 19 very much, but that was the purpose of the call. Mr. Smothers. And it it your testimony that your first 20 exposure to the documentary evidence beyond these recollections 21 was when either the Rockefeller Commission staff or this 22 staff sho”
“irst S tre e t, S .E ., W ashington, O.C. 20QC3 ; tion could be 20 Mr . Bundy. I have no recollection on that. 21 Mr. Schwarz. But someone was? 22 Mr . Bundy. I have no recollection on that. 23 Mr. Schwarz. You have no recollection of any position 24 being taken pro o”
“seeking your authority or 21 the authority of the White House? 22 7 • Mr. Bundy.I think they were testing my reaction, as © I now look back on it. But I do not recall that they were 24 seeking authority. If it had come to me as a matter of White 25 TOP SECRET 213 ”
“M ASHe re think I’m competent . toanswer that question She o 15 w .- - 20 1 / aid . 11 1 M * r 16 What occurssto me is there were lots ofother ways of 21 17 offering asylum for a twenty-four hour period, and I don’t 3 ■ think I really find, thatea very significant ”
“Can I use discussion of an assassination, will you 22 accept that? 23 © Mr. Bundy. It implies more seriousness and more 24 sustained argument than I recollect. 25 TOP SECRET NW””
“before the 22 Rockefeller Commission, say, in the last five months about 23; this testimony? 24 Mr. Bundy. I answered that question. Yes, I have. 25 Senator Mondale. Would you repeat it briefly for us? TOP SECRET NW 50933%”
“articles. 22 I mean, that is my general feeling. 23 /N7 Senator Tower. Let's go back a moment. You say“tha oh t he 24Z have come by knowledge of the Mann-Burgess-Philby *) relationship through an external source? TOP SECRET rage [”
“t I'l l do. I will bring with me the man that's been principall y involved in answering any qu estio ns that you've had. I know you've had some. And if something occurs to you why we'll just let you go off the record and ask him if there's something that you don't feel that you c”
“20003 19 simply represented to his subordinate that he was doing so on 20 instructions from the White House? 21 Mr. Bundy. I think there is a prior question, Mr. 22 Chairman, which is the credibility of the witness from whom he is taking this recollection. 24 The Chai”
“Bundy. Nothing at all about it in detail. 22 Senator Baker. A poison pen? Mr. Bundy. No, some kind of poison about which one 24 thing that does stick in my mind is that it seems totally 25 TOP SECRET NW 50955”
“and and you want to ask me, don't hesitate to call me. Should I come alone or do you want me to brin g somebody with me? Whatever your pleasure. I see. R: DCI: R: It makes no difference as far as the Commission... DCI: R: DCI: R: I'll tell you what I'll do. I will bring with me t”
“notes do not indicate Do Mr. Lansdale's being present at the meeting, although the to to minutes of the meeting do. And I take it you have no W tO independent, recollection of whether or not he was not there. W Mr. Bundy. I have no objection to entering anything in ”
“ilding, it's the Veteran's Foreign War Building on the fourth floor. It's a white marble building... I'll find it. If you have any questions about anything that occurred to you beforehand and you want to ask me, don't hesitate to call me. Should I come alone or do you want me to ”
“Regarding these events? 23 Mr. Bundy. Yes. Mr. Smothers. Have you spoken with Mr. Gilpatric? Mr. Bundy, NO, I don't think I have. 25 TOP SECRET W 50955 Dot”
“I: R: It makes no difference as far as the Commission... DCI: R: DCI: R: I'll tell you what I'll do. I will bring with me the man that's been principally involved in answering any questions that you've had. I know you've had some. And if something occurs to you why we'll just let”
“Rostow and Bundy. I think this is roughly what 20 he said to me. 21 The Chairman. That was the character of his testimony? 22 Mr. Bundy. I told him that I thought he must 23 be wrong about Rostow, because that wasn't the way it worked, 0 24 and that my own recollection”
“ncipal witness, an d we will call on other s as questioning 15 14 might require, and I would dir ect each of you when you do respond, to identify yourselves, please , f or the record. 16 I think that we will spen d j ust a f ew mor e m inu tes to al low 17 th e members of the Com”
“t quite steamed up about things. We have taken closer to 400 than 300 witnesses' testimony and we ha ve tak en it deliberately so tha t nob ody can s ay that we have just been rubber stamped for the Secret Servic e or the FBI or anybody else. Well, I told her in great detail at d”
“. 2 0 0 0 3 19 be in our Technical Services Division, which, if he was, he 20 would know everything, or could get into everything. 21 I didn't tell him that. Ya 22 In fact, I expressed little or no interest in his source 23 other than asking him a few questions, is he ”
“intelligibility. The source of the tapes was unknown. (Mr. Charles Gaskin, BNDD) (Scott/An) GFGPTE 11 ■ ATTACHMENT 1 00220”
“when this conversation occurred? taScke. 22 Mr. Bundy. I could ’probably work it out from my own 23 calendar, but I don't have it in my head. 24 Mr. Smothers. But at this time he had not seen the 25 report? TOP-SECRET NW 50995** Page””
“se what has been said. R: DCI: R: DCI: Right. But nevertheless, I think your position is conside rab ly different than the one I mentioned. You think about it, whether you think that if we dress ourselves directly to it in a separate section of the report with all of these claims”
“I got a call last night from one of the editors of Harper's 21 magazine in Europe relaying to me that Bernard Barker wanted to 22 talk to me, and he thinks about the Butterfield situation, and 23 I intended to call him, but I wanted you to know that. 24- The Chairman. Tha”
“exploring in that group 21 of questions? 22 :***/*** Mr. Bundy. No you are familiar with the fact that — 23 R refreshed my recollection of activities associated with the E 24 SIZ Mafia in a law enforcement context in Florida in 1964. R 25 H TOP SECRET age”
“ng Chalmers usually indulges in. No, it was entirely foreign to his to areas that are normal to him. The thing that I didn't like about it, he rather intimated that this came from some source within the Commission. I didn't read that into it. But you would be more alert to that t”
“report before we go on recess. I think that 20 disposes too readily of the problem that is going to confront 21 us in a very few weeks, and that is having heard all of this, 22 now what do we do? I don't think we have decided yet how we 23 are going to present, once we op”
“them and you fellows say no, we haven't heard anything - you know.) [Well yodtreel in your own mind that this is something that will come about in the very near future, this attempt?] No, I would have to say 1 have a feeling now the attempt will not come about an if enoug”
“put on a show. I think they might like an off the record comment from you if you'd care to make one. I'll give some thought about it between now and Thursday. Alright fine. Thank you. NW 65990 Docld:32403740 Page 5 TELEPHONE CONVERSATION BETWEEN DCI AND CHIEF JUSTICE WARREN 11:20”
“I have tried 19 20 quite carefully to tell, you my recollection. Mr. Smothers. We are merely trying now to establish 21 22 those relationships so that when we get the point in the 0 ‘7 do record there is some question regarding the nature of the recollection that mi”
“you narrow the field? Mr. Bundy. I can narrow the field. It would have to have !been a senior officer at the Agency, or someone with previous ori, understanding ** + / • in the White House. I have no reason to suppose TOP SECRET 406”
“th 18 SECKET Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 A Sure. 2 2 I am sorry we had to take so much of your time. o1 A That is all right. 4 ; Thank you again. 5 ! (Whereupon, at 3:35 o’clock p.m., the taking of the 6 1 11 deposition was concluded.) J 7 11■ 8 9 10 ! 11i 12”
“22 Mr. Bundy. I am not going to try to repair the record at this late stage and say that the President never read Ian Fleming. Senator Baker. Or ever seen Ian Fleming? 25 TOP SECRET NW 50955 Doctor”
“issues that were being discussed, to the fact that detailed, 21 substantive back-up for whatever questions might be put to the 22 Agency spokesmen. I made reference to that because you asked 23 me if I knew the relationship between Mr. McCone and this 24 three-man group. ”
“think 30. Mr. Baron. Would you— Mr. Tweedy, When he says: "Plan proceed on basis prioi- ities as listed above" this again is no* what he was going -e do at the conclusion of this without further reference carr’ out an assassination. He says, what we see is; the TOP SE”
“ell. Now, she e ngage d me in a conversation at di nne r concerning this Buchanan repor t and she wa s very disturbed about it becaus e of the very great impact th at she fe els it is having in Englan d and throughout Europe. Buchanan has been on TV and on radio, both in Britain ”
“was in 18 ll our Agency. < 1 0 € , 5 S tr e e t, S .E . W . oningion, D.C. 20003 19 So this had a tremendous impact on Burt Turner, because 20 he was one of the two interrogating officers. And I can't 21 j talk to you about professional pride, but for a man f his 22 ! ”
“town, but obviously we furnished no information; that there was some indication from the source that had been helping Grunewald and might be in contact with McInerney. _I told him he was at liberty to Ido so. I told him I would check for the reason why G-2 wanted the inf”
“n she was married to Mike Cowles and she told me of the extent to 2 NW 65990 Docld:32403740 Page 4 ( which Buchannan had captured the radio and television audiences in Great Briton and on the continent and went so far as to say that unless the Commission's report dealt with his a”
“by him. Do you know what was in that cable? 9 Mr. Baron. Mr. Tweedy. God knows, I don’t. TOP SECRET”
“the record and the exhibit evidence citing the inference that it was not. There 20 >. is an abundance of both, to be frank with you. So that we 4 1 0 F irs t S treet, S.E., Washil 21 can lay them down side by side and make our own separate 22 23 judgment. © Do I u”
“the things I have 23 seen attributed to him in recent weeks. 24 Mr. Smothers. Well, let me put it this way. Would you 25 believe General Lansdale under oath? TOP SECRET”
“come to me. You are asking me things that 23 happened, you know, in 1962. As I have told you, I have been 24 in a lot of places. 25 Anyway, when we put in a request for a trace on the source TOP SECRET HWW”
“22 Then let me show you a document which we will mark as 23 Halley Exhibit No. 2. 24 (The document referred 25 to was marked Halley TOP SECRET”
“24 A I simply overheard it, that is right. J I’ ll' 25: Q And who were the parties to the conversation you over- photocopy from SECRET Gerald Ford Library NW 50955 DocId: 32275518 Page 11”
“few 20 of us, probably myself and Mr. Pionzio, and Mr. Broe and Mr. 21 Karamessines, and maybe Mr. Flannery, — no, I guess not, but 22 .I do remember thatmeeting going up there and saying, if there 23 ever was a chance, it is now finished, and somebody has got to 24 say ”
“Foreign War Building on the fourth floor. It's a white marble building. .. I'll find it. If you hav e any questions about anything that occurred to you beforehand and you want to ask me, don't hesitate to cal l me. Should I come alone or do yo u want me to br ing somebody with me”
“ld have been either. DCI: Could have been either and sometimes those fellows shift from one newspape r to the other. NW 65990 Docld:32403740 Page 7 W: DCI: W: DCI: This is n not the kind of thing Chalmers usually indulges in. No, it was entire ly foreign to his to areas that are ”
“have dealt with Oswald. The conversations are summarized below for easy reference.470/ In the following discussion the conversations will be referred to by date and occurrence. time of occurance. Classification:—u 391 UEmL ONCI1C ■» Classified by derivation: ' NW 48327 ”