“think 30. Mr. Baron. Would you— Mr. Tweedy, When he says: "Plan proceed on basis prioi- ities as listed above" this again is no* what he was going -e do at the conclusion of this without further reference carr’ out an assassination. He says, what we see is; the TOP SE”
“document referred to was marked Tweedy Exhibit No. 4 6. * for identification.) o fr1 TOP SECRET NW 50955 b6”
“4 63 w n $44-4000 1 Mr. Tweedy. Yes. 2 Phone (Area (The document referred to was marked Tweedy 4 Exhibit No. 12 for 5 identification.) 6 7 8 9 10 i w a n o • PAIL 14: 1: 10 7ii 1R 2000 11 t+l wasties* . lilt TOP SECRET”
“by him. Do you know what was in that cable? 9 Mr. Baron. Mr. Tweedy. God knows, I don’t. TOP SECRET”
“I have tried 19 20 quite carefully to tell, you my recollection. Mr. Smothers. We are merely trying now to establish 21 22 those relationships so that when we get the point in the 0 ‘7 do record there is some question regarding the nature of the recollection that mi”
“doubted — 19 Mr. Tweedy. My recollection doesn’t go anywhere near that far. eve **+**, % 1 .»afin Mr. Dawson. He checked that authority by immediately 22 cabling back to headquarters saying,this guy has made himself 0 available to me as well as he has delivered someth”
“ashington. D .C . 20003 19 very much, but that was the purpose of the call. Mr. Smothers. And it it your testimony that your first 20 exposure to the documentary evidence beyond these recollections 21 was when either the Rockefeller Commission staff or this 22 staff sho”
“Can I use discussion of an assassination, will you 22 accept that? 23 © Mr. Bundy. It implies more seriousness and more 24 sustained argument than I recollect. 25 TOP SECRET NW””
“. 20003 1 Q . -1 • Mr. Smothers. It was given to us as an existing file, 2G or matters that had been pulled, or organized — 21I! Mr. Bundy. No, they gave me the whole file, they were 22 all documents that I have been involved with, it was nothing 23 new to me. But the”
“on this copy. 23 The point I am trying to make is, if Mr. Broe were 24 leaving the office and we had gone through this exchange, and 25 he had.done it with someone else in my office, he might well TOP SECRET NW 50955 DocId: 32282005 Page 31”
“told me of any reaction of 22 it. 23 Mr. Smothers. Do you recall the substance of his 24 comment regarding the 1967 McCone report? 25 Mr. Bundy. No. I don’t think he commented on it. He TOP SECRET NW 50955 Docrd-”
“ncipal witness, an d we will call on other s as questioning 15 14 might require, and I would dir ect each of you when you do respond, to identify yourselves, please , f or the record. 16 I think that we will spen d j ust a f ew mor e m inu tes to al low 17 th e members of the Com”
“20003 19 simply represented to his subordinate that he was doing so on 20 instructions from the White House? 21 Mr. Bundy. I think there is a prior question, Mr. 22 Chairman, which is the credibility of the witness from whom he is taking this recollection. 24 The Chai”
“few 20 of us, probably myself and Mr. Pionzio, and Mr. Broe and Mr. 21 Karamessines, and maybe Mr. Flannery, — no, I guess not, but 22 .I do remember thatmeeting going up there and saying, if there 23 ever was a chance, it is now finished, and somebody has got to 24 say ”
“them and you fellows say no, we haven't heard anything - you know.) [Well yodtreel in your own mind that this is something that will come about in the very near future, this attempt?] No, I would have to say 1 have a feeling now the attempt will not come about an if enoug”
“irst S tre e t, S .E ., W ashington, O.C. 20QC3 ; tion could be 20 Mr . Bundy. I have no recollection on that. 21 Mr. Schwarz. But someone was? 22 Mr . Bundy. I have no recollection on that. 23 Mr. Schwarz. You have no recollection of any position 24 being taken pro o”
“M ASHe re think I’m competent . toanswer that question She o 15 w .- - 20 1 / aid . 11 1 M * r 16 What occurssto me is there were lots ofother ways of 21 17 offering asylum for a twenty-four hour period, and I don’t 3 ■ think I really find, thatea very significant ”
“report before we go on recess. I think that 20 disposes too readily of the problem that is going to confront 21 us in a very few weeks, and that is having heard all of this, 22 now what do we do? I don't think we have decided yet how we 23 are going to present, once we op”
“seeking your authority or 21 the authority of the White House? 22 7 • Mr. Bundy.I think they were testing my reaction, as © I now look back on it. But I do not recall that they were 24 seeking authority. If it had come to me as a matter of White 25 TOP SECRET 213 ”
“th 18 SECKET Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 A Sure. 2 2 I am sorry we had to take so much of your time. o1 A That is all right. 4 ; Thank you again. 5 ! (Whereupon, at 3:35 o’clock p.m., the taking of the 6 1 11 deposition was concluded.) J 7 11■ 8 9 10 ! 11i 12”
“Baron. Would this be access to shoot him r would this be access to his personal food or drink r toiletries? Mr. Tweedy. I suppose all those types of things might © have been considered. Mr. Baron. But this was not access in the sense of TOP SECRET”
“before the 22 Rockefeller Commission, say, in the last five months about 23; this testimony? 24 Mr. Bundy. I answered that question. Yes, I have. 25 Senator Mondale. Would you repeat it briefly for us? TOP SECRET NW 50933%”
“on matters of this kind. 22: Mr. Dawson. Who else other than the DDP or DCI would have such authority? iS ite rs O lr 24 Mr. Tweedy. I don't know. 25 TOP SECRET”
“erial to that safe. Blakey said he would review the draft statement (copy attached) and let me know. 7. Blakey said that things had changed since his early days. Full agreements had been reached quickly, then, but now things took longer. He noted the atmosphere, and also noted th”
“cautioned.. You know them as well as I do. Well, as far as our rules are concerned, it wouldn't make any difference if Trafficante was here. It wouldn't make any difference in our ability to confirm or deny that 1 3 NW 50955 DocId: 32423630 Page 91”
“the things I have 23 seen attributed to him in recent weeks. 24 Mr. Smothers. Well, let me put it this way. Would you 25 believe General Lansdale under oath? TOP SECRET”
“have dealt with Oswald. The conversations are summarized below for easy reference.470/ In the following discussion the conversations will be referred to by date and occurrence. time of occurance. Classification:—u 391 UEmL ONCI1C ■» Classified by derivation: ' NW 48327 ”
“22 Then let me show you a document which we will mark as 23 Halley Exhibit No. 2. 24 (The document referred 25 to was marked Halley TOP SECRET”
“of thing. 22 This cable I think must have originated either with a dis- 23 cussion with Broe that said, look, send the following word, 24 write up something like this, or perhaps some notes, and say, 25 do a cable from it, or just as possible — and I can't read it TOP S”
“intelligibility. The source of the tapes was unknown. (Mr. Charles Gaskin, BNDD) (Scott/An) GFGPTE 11 ■ ATTACHMENT 1 00220”
“notes do not indicate Do Mr. Lansdale's being present at the meeting, although the to to minutes of the meeting do. And I take it you have no W tO independent, recollection of whether or not he was not there. W Mr. Bundy. I have no objection to entering anything in ”
“t quite steamed up about things. We have taken closer to 400 than 300 witnesses' testimony and we ha ve tak en it deliberately so tha t nob ody can s ay that we have just been rubber stamped for the Secret Servic e or the FBI or anybody else. Well, I told her in great detail at d”
“and and you want to ask me, don't hesitate to call me. Should I come alone or do you want me to brin g somebody with me? Whatever your pleasure. I see. R: DCI: R: It makes no difference as far as the Commission... DCI: R: DCI: R: I'll tell you what I'll do. I will bring with me t”
“come to me. You are asking me things that 23 happened, you know, in 1962. As I have told you, I have been 24 in a lot of places. 25 Anyway, when we put in a request for a trace on the source TOP SECRET HWW”
“Rostow and Bundy. I think this is roughly what 20 he said to me. 21 The Chairman. That was the character of his testimony? 22 Mr. Bundy. I told him that I thought he must 23 be wrong about Rostow, because that wasn't the way it worked, 0 24 and that my own recollection”
“Bundy. Nothing at all about it in detail. 22 Senator Baker. A poison pen? Mr. Bundy. No, some kind of poison about which one 24 thing that does stick in my mind is that it seems totally 25 TOP SECRET NW 50955”
“keeping 19 s ut. a lively -- keeping his lively concern in their consciousness move the thing more rapidly. 2.1 "•. >thers. This is your interpretation of giving more, 22 personal attention to it? ".idy. Exactly. © Mr. Smothers. You say you had no knowledge of the”
“course of that to o o particular presentation. Throughout that whole period of time, t that was the only, if you will, direct contact with him that to I can remember. You know, unless you can show me something. to D Mr. Baron. During the entire period that you were”
“wasningtet, n & it would be because it never occurred me that the Chief o: Station would act in any ther wav. That is it. Mr. Dawson. f course, Mr. Hedgeman also testified that 45 *0 5,4 it never would have occured 0 him have carried this ut 1 :: without having check”
“when this conversation occurred? taScke. 22 Mr. Bundy. I could ’probably work it out from my own 23 calendar, but I don't have it in my head. 24 Mr. Smothers. But at this time he had not seen the 25 report? TOP-SECRET NW 50995** Page””
“ng Chalmers usually indulges in. No, it was entirely foreign to his to areas that are normal to him. The thing that I didn't like about it, he rather intimated that this came from some source within the Commission. I didn't read that into it. But you would be more alert to that t”
“the record and the exhibit evidence citing the inference that it was not. There 20 >. is an abundance of both, to be frank with you. So that we 4 1 0 F irs t S treet, S.E., Washil 21 can lay them down side by side and make our own separate 22 23 judgment. © Do I u”
“articles. 22 I mean, that is my general feeling. 23 /N7 Senator Tower. Let's go back a moment. You say“tha oh t he 24Z have come by knowledge of the Mann-Burgess-Philby *) relationship through an external source? TOP SECRET rage [”
“-2- * I asked if he would be willing to say this under sworn testimony. He said that having gone this far he would, but he cautioned that 15 years had passed and he could not vouch for the exact wording, although his memory of the impact of the meeting is firm. Mr. Johns”
“2000* position" and I cannot say more than that, and T think to say wasneiatien, D e that this stresses assassination would b: quite untrue. But the Chief of Station in Leopoldville was already under instruction **. * f . to be considering this as on f the possibilities”
“24 A I simply overheard it, that is right. J I’ ll' 25: Q And who were the parties to the conversation you over- photocopy from SECRET Gerald Ford Library NW 50955 DocId: 32275518 Page 11”
“. 2 0 0 0 3 19 be in our Technical Services Division, which, if he was, he 20 would know everything, or could get into everything. 21 I didn't tell him that. Ya 22 In fact, I expressed little or no interest in his source 23 other than asking him a few questions, is he ”
“ch 18 SE KEl Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 1 A Sure. 2 : 2 I am sorry we had to take so much of your time. o - A That is all right. Q Thank you again. (Whereupon, at 3:35 o’clock p.m., the taking of the 6 deposition was concluded.) 7 8 , 9 10 11 ! 12 i W ARD a ”
“But at that point you did brief him?m? 24 Mr. Bissell. I don't remember whether I personally 25 TOP SECRET NW 50955 DocId: 32203786 Page 10”
“Regarding these events? 23 Mr. Bundy. Yes. Mr. Smothers. Have you spoken with Mr. Gilpatric? Mr. Bundy, NO, I don't think I have. 25 TOP SECRET W 50955 Dot”